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Using suboptimal methods just because it feels good is perhaps the most common failure mode for everything humans have done in all of history. The entire gambling industry exploits the extreme version of this feature of psychology.
Especially to the extent we are evolved to feel good using the suboptimal methods.
Edit: I don't need awards, this point is general enough it doesn't really contain much insight as far as I'm concerned.
I think this quip is question-begging, and just serves to muddy the waters by conflating several distinct phenomena:
Conflict between a society's short-term and long-term preferences.
Conflict between the preferences of distinct groups in a society.
How individuals/groups establish preferences, and how they understand and express these preferences.
There are important questions of fact involved:
Are whole-language approaches more effective for teaching students literacy?
Should effectiveness in teaching students literacy be the unique factor determining instructional approach?
Are teachers well-positioned to evaluate the effectiveness of various instructional approaches?
Do teachers have insight into how they arrive at their own preferences?
Do teachers misrepresent the justifications for their preferences? Do they do so knowingly?
Are whole-language approaches easier/more fun for teachers?
Do teachers prefer whole-language approaches because they're more pleasant for teachers?
Do students have effective political advocates for their interests?
Etc.
Sure.
I'm must making the broader point that it wouldn't be surprising to see teachers preferring to utilize a method that makes them feel good even against evidence that it is less effective at teaching the subject it purports to teach.
One of the more reliable features of human psychology is the active avoidance of unpleasant or painful stimuli and preference for pleasurable or at least neutral ones.
So my general belief is that methods people enjoy more are not likely to be the best methods for achieving a stated goal, especially when the benefits of said goal accrue to others.
There are many options/potential solutions for resolving such a disparity, but it does require us to admit that such a disparity exists, first.
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