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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 30, 2023

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Are you denying this is an official @FCfromSSC positionTM ? If anything, he's even more against free speech, ie, 'it was always a sham and could never have worked no matter the opponent'. Now in practice I believe he is less anti-free speech than the woke.

Depending on what you mean by it, I am against free speech, and believe it was always a sham, which is why I said I am going to need specifics. What I'm denying is that this constitutes "not being nice to them" because I don't think either of us is asking for anything we'd deny to the progressives.

Because firstly people disagree on what the seemingly universal norm of ‘common sense decency’(small-h honor of lee and rommel) even is,

But somehow, in this entire thread, no one attacked Lee or Rommel on their personal conduct.

and secondly, free speech to me is actually a ‘big question’, so the distinction you’re trying to make, and the world where we all just stick to your small standards, can’t exist.

Nah. This is the deconstructivist "X is a social construct / has fuzzy boundaries therefore X does not exist" argument, and it's pretty clearly false. Few things in the physical world, let alone human interactions, are clearly delineated, but that does not make them non-existent or meaningless.

Depending on what you mean by it, I am against free speech, and believe it was always a sham, which is why I said I am going to need specifics.

Why then did you cite ‘the censorship’ as one of the ‘little things’ that justify your moral superiority to the woke?

But somehow, in this entire thread, no one attacked Lee or Rommel on their personal conduct.

I think I did. Obeying your superiors, fighting for your home country are some of the 'little things' I object to.

Why then did you cite ‘the censorship’ as one of the ‘little things’ that justify your moral superiority to the woke?

  • Because I don't think the same rules apply to adults engaging in politics and to the mandatory education system that children go through

  • Because they cite science as the source of their legitimacy, and you can't do science while cutting off avenues of research

  • Because they refuse to codify it, and rely on underhanded tactics like whisper networks and blackballing

I think I did. Obeying your superiors, fighting for your home country are some of the 'little things' I object to.

Nowhere in the conversation have you mentioned that you're using a similar framework to mine, and in fact you were attacking the very idea of it. So I'm sure you'll understand why I have trouble believing you actually believe the above.

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