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simplified lumpenproletariat immigration for LatAm with a digital federal registry of non-voters, no jus soli for them
points-based immigration with an "American values" test for upper prole and white collar migrants
Handgun restrictions for urban youth with Urumqi-style checkpoints, decriminalize drug consumption and possession.
Black lives matter, but looters will be shot on sight.
Research the origins of transness to prevent it. Research the origins of racial discrepancies in life outcomes to fix them.
I think other than the BLM position, this is exactly what I meant. No limits on mass immigration, only on the quality of immigrants? In fact, not even that, you'd still let the "lumpens" come in, just put some restrictions on what they can do once they're here? Violate 2nd Ammendment rights, and let people ruin their lives hoping they'll be too high to do serious crime? How is "research the origins of racial discrepancies in life outcomes to fix them" different from what was done since the very beginning of the Civil Rights movement? Nothing about the crazy stuff they're teaching in schools? Why would anyone with a conservative bone in their body be ok with you waving through surgeries and hormone therapies for minors, on the vague promise you'll find the cause of transness and prevent it in the future?
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