naraburns nihil supernum
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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
What we are concerned about is the moral substance and not morally-irrelevant detail. The moral substance of burglarizing a home is greater than burglarizing a yard because the trespass violates a greater expectation of privacy and there is less of an element of temptation if something is not clearly visible. Okay… now, what’s the moral substance of attacking a hospital? That you are attacking something where innocent people gather, and where children feel safe in visiting to heal, and where vulnerable people are located. The moral substance doesn’t have to do with crumbing a wall or destroying equipment. As such, you don’t get to reduce the moral magnitude of attacking a hospital because it only took out vulnerable women and children who thought they were safe and who were looking to be healed, and didn’t cause damage to the equipment and facilities. (Hell, if we were concerned about equipment, we should ask how many hospitals worth of equipment have been kept from Palestinians due to the Israeli blockade. A separate matter, of course.)
That photo is frankly stupid. It doesn’t include the full grounds of the courtyard and ignores that many children (who are smaller) were sleeping there with their families — in war time. They’re not Scandinavians waiting for a bus stop.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
coffee_enjoyer 1yr ago
It doesn’t include the full grounds of the courtyard
It also doesn't include the thousands who some claim were in the courtyard, merely the hundreds who allegedly died in the blast area. And it really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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What we are concerned about is the moral substance and not morally-irrelevant detail. The moral substance of burglarizing a home is greater than burglarizing a yard because the trespass violates a greater expectation of privacy and there is less of an element of temptation if something is not clearly visible. Okay… now, what’s the moral substance of attacking a hospital? That you are attacking something where innocent people gather, and where children feel safe in visiting to heal, and where vulnerable people are located. The moral substance doesn’t have to do with crumbing a wall or destroying equipment. As such, you don’t get to reduce the moral magnitude of attacking a hospital because it only took out vulnerable women and children who thought they were safe and who were looking to be healed, and didn’t cause damage to the equipment and facilities. (Hell, if we were concerned about equipment, we should ask how many hospitals worth of equipment have been kept from Palestinians due to the Israeli blockade. A separate matter, of course.)
That photo is frankly stupid. It doesn’t include the full grounds of the courtyard and ignores that many children (who are smaller) were sleeping there with their families — in war time. They’re not Scandinavians waiting for a bus stop.
It also doesn't include the thousands who some claim were in the courtyard, merely the hundreds who allegedly died in the blast area. And it really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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