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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Southkraut
A tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
1yr ago
Sure, but they're mostly old and, by now, effectively marginalized. They passed their thoughts on to some in the younger generations, but those who actually keep the spirit of the old revolutionaries are few in numbers. Most of the current far-but-platformable-left are wokes rather than RAF revivalists. Still, it's not wrong to note that many among the population in general were vaguely or specifically pro-Palestinian.
Just like the russophiles were a substantial force in German politics until the onset of the Ukraine war neutralized them overnight - in my view the mechanism at work is the same. Both views were held by a large number of people, many of them influential, but the foreign object of their admiration started a war and that just brought the full weight of the German pacifist morality machine down on them. People probably still hold those views, but most of them will be wise enough to keep mum about them, or else be forced to operate on the absolute fringes of society.
In salient examples, the social democrat youth organization recently diplomatically suspended relations with its so-called sister org, the Fatah youth organization, to which the latter responded by very undiplomatically breaking up with the soc-dems entirely and calling the SPD a bunch of fascists.
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Sure, but they're mostly old and, by now, effectively marginalized. They passed their thoughts on to some in the younger generations, but those who actually keep the spirit of the old revolutionaries are few in numbers. Most of the current far-but-platformable-left are wokes rather than RAF revivalists. Still, it's not wrong to note that many among the population in general were vaguely or specifically pro-Palestinian.
Just like the russophiles were a substantial force in German politics until the onset of the Ukraine war neutralized them overnight - in my view the mechanism at work is the same. Both views were held by a large number of people, many of them influential, but the foreign object of their admiration started a war and that just brought the full weight of the German pacifist morality machine down on them. People probably still hold those views, but most of them will be wise enough to keep mum about them, or else be forced to operate on the absolute fringes of society.
In salient examples, the social democrat youth organization recently diplomatically suspended relations with its so-called sister org, the Fatah youth organization, to which the latter responded by very undiplomatically breaking up with the soc-dems entirely and calling the SPD a bunch of fascists.
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