naraburns nihil supernum
1yr ago
(text post)
30377 thread views
Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
It's quite possible it's unintentional rather than an IDF hit or a false flag; Hamas has been firing a lot of rockets out, and especially as they move to older ammo they're going to have their already-high misfire rate increase, and some of the bigger rockets don't die easy after an intercept.
The numbers are also... weird, either way. Neither the typical IDF nor the typical Hamas impactor have the sort of dispersal or energy payload that you'd expect to kill a hundred people in a single strike, even assuming tightly clustered beds and the sort of nearby flammables common to hospitals (eg, oxygen tanks, fuel reserves).
I have seen theories that the hospital was used by Hamas to store other explosive devices, hence the bigger impact than we could expect.
It also appears that a great number of children were sleeping in the courtyard - their parents might have sent them to sleep there as a safe haven. Whoever is at fault, this is a monumental tragedy and will be one for the history books.
This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a
court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to
optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.
The weekly Culture War threads host the most
controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are
appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy;
if in doubt, post!
Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts.
You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.
Why are you called The Motte?
A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently,
it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey",
originally identified by
philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial
but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens
this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for
the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired
propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."
On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.
New post guidelines
If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it.
A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts
such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a
submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).
Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or
significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
It's quite possible it's unintentional rather than an IDF hit or a false flag; Hamas has been firing a lot of rockets out, and especially as they move to older ammo they're going to have their already-high misfire rate increase, and some of the bigger rockets don't die easy after an intercept.
The numbers are also... weird, either way. Neither the typical IDF nor the typical Hamas impactor have the sort of dispersal or energy payload that you'd expect to kill a hundred people in a single strike, even assuming tightly clustered beds and the sort of nearby flammables common to hospitals (eg, oxygen tanks, fuel reserves).
I have seen theories that the hospital was used by Hamas to store other explosive devices, hence the bigger impact than we could expect.
It also appears that a great number of children were sleeping in the courtyard - their parents might have sent them to sleep there as a safe haven. Whoever is at fault, this is a monumental tragedy and will be one for the history books.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link