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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
How? They can’t walk given the only land exit is to the south via Egypt. Egypt is unlikely to simply let them free into the interior. Gaza is blockaded by sea, and even if Israel allowed NGO migrant vessels to dock, they’d (a) have to abandon the existing locations, which they’d be reluctant to do, and (b) would have nowhere near the capacity. Unlike the regular migrants who are pretty much all young men, most of the Gazan survivors will be women and children, with a moderate number of elderly people too.
That means that irregular immigration is improbable and they’d have to come to Europe as pre-admitted refugees, like those the west admits from refugee camps and so on. European governments would have to charter ships to consciously bring 2 million people to their countries. I cant see governments that agree to that surviving - the AfD is on the verge of power in parts of Germany, the right is at least partially in power in Italy, even Macron is trying to seem tougher on immigration and integration, the Danes are now trying to be heavily restrictionist from the Islamic world, the Swedish conversation of migrants seem to be turning. Oh, and all of Europe saw the footage from Hamas’ atrocities.
Like I said in the other comment, you rendezvous with an NGO rescue ship, drop them in the sea, the rescue ship picks them up, and now you can't turn them away, because what are you going to do, let them drown, you monster?
I cant see governments that agree to that surviving - the AfD is on the verge of power in parts of Germany, the right is at least partially in power in Italy
Yeah, and we had a lot of handwringing about what Italy's fascist PM is going to do with immigrants, and she ended up admitting just as many as past governments. Why would AfD be different?
With which boats will they rendezvous with the NGO ships? How will the NGOs 20x their capacity overnight? How will the NGOs feel about abandoning the present African migrants for Gazans? How do you think voters are going to react?
Of the issues you mentioned the only real one is capacity, yeah it won't happen overnight. Everything else doesn't seem relevant. Human traffickers will be the ones randezvouing with the NGOs, just like they do now. The NGOs will stop caring about the African refugees.
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How? They can’t walk given the only land exit is to the south via Egypt. Egypt is unlikely to simply let them free into the interior. Gaza is blockaded by sea, and even if Israel allowed NGO migrant vessels to dock, they’d (a) have to abandon the existing locations, which they’d be reluctant to do, and (b) would have nowhere near the capacity. Unlike the regular migrants who are pretty much all young men, most of the Gazan survivors will be women and children, with a moderate number of elderly people too.
That means that irregular immigration is improbable and they’d have to come to Europe as pre-admitted refugees, like those the west admits from refugee camps and so on. European governments would have to charter ships to consciously bring 2 million people to their countries. I cant see governments that agree to that surviving - the AfD is on the verge of power in parts of Germany, the right is at least partially in power in Italy, even Macron is trying to seem tougher on immigration and integration, the Danes are now trying to be heavily restrictionist from the Islamic world, the Swedish conversation of migrants seem to be turning. Oh, and all of Europe saw the footage from Hamas’ atrocities.
Like I said in the other comment, you rendezvous with an NGO rescue ship, drop them in the sea, the rescue ship picks them up, and now you can't turn them away, because what are you going to do, let them drown, you monster?
Yeah, and we had a lot of handwringing about what Italy's fascist PM is going to do with immigrants, and she ended up admitting just as many as past governments. Why would AfD be different?
With which boats will they rendezvous with the NGO ships? How will the NGOs 20x their capacity overnight? How will the NGOs feel about abandoning the present African migrants for Gazans? How do you think voters are going to react?
Of the issues you mentioned the only real one is capacity, yeah it won't happen overnight. Everything else doesn't seem relevant. Human traffickers will be the ones randezvouing with the NGOs, just like they do now. The NGOs will stop caring about the African refugees.
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