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For Keith, supporting the ethnic cleansing of your people from your ancestral homeland is a betrayal on principle. i.e. if Ireland became overrun with Arabs and things came to a head, I don't think Keith would advocate for ethnically cleansing the Irish to the United States even if that had a higher standard of living and more political rights.
I don't care about Richard's betrayal of the Palestinians, I care about his betrayal of Europe, not that he necessarily owes any loyalty to Europeans. But it shows where his priorities lie when he talks about "less trouble."
What if the Irish were by far the weaker party and were liable to being completely destroyed imminently? Does Keith think it better to die at home than live in diaspora? If he does, I don’t know that he can fault others too much for disagreeing with him - at least it’s a matter of debate.
If the Arabs completely blockaded and turned off the food and water to the Irish, I think Keith would consider it a betrayal to say "good idea on that blockade, that's going to force the Irish away from Ireland finally and that will cause less trouble." Even if they were the weaker party.
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