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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Doesn't all of this apply equivalently to non-Jewish White Democrat voters, though? Jewish group identity might be stronger than general White Americans, but... the exact same things written from a broad White POV would take on some pretty heavy censure.
I suppose non-insane White Democrats will also be repelled by all the Hamas butchery apologia. But the core reason for this is that Jews, who (accurately) perceive normalization of such shit as a personal existential threat in the long run, will make it into a Big Issue and a topic for edifying National Conversation that cannot be just brushed aside and dropped from the news cycle like some embarrassing but non-representative freak accident.
Otherwise, rabid anti-white rhetoric would also have sufficed to discredit leftism.
I don’t think the left will drop Palestine so quickly at all. The invasion will be brutal, in a week or two (maybe less) rhetoric will start to turn again. Maybe not to Chuck Schumer’s level, but certainly in big swathes of the American left. The rapidly growing Muslim American population will continue to elect representatives that align with it, and they won’t drop the Palestinian cause either. Black Americans tend not to care and often have high rates of belief in casual antisemitism anyway.
Certainly over time Jewish support for the Democrats will wane, but that just mirrors what has happened in the UK and elsewhere and reflects the changing demography of the Jewish population as much as it does the public rhetoric of politicians.
The invasion will be brutal, in a week or two (maybe less) rhetoric will start to turn again
I doubt it. Israel will probably keep Gaza under siege for a month or so, then flatten it completely and launch a ground invasion. Yes, they’ll probably kill 500,000 plus civilians through the whole thing, but the news will be supporting them the whole way.
Sure, weird far leftists will have more of a leg to stand on, but nobody listens to them.
you are ignoring the videos that will be shared in social media about that invasion, doubtful it will be pretty and not all faces stomped by a boot will be male.
The rapidly growing Muslim American population will continue to elect representatives that align with it, and they won’t drop the Palestinian cause either.
Ilhan Omar is not a Hamas representative, though, even if some people would like to present her this way.
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Doesn't all of this apply equivalently to non-Jewish White Democrat voters, though? Jewish group identity might be stronger than general White Americans, but... the exact same things written from a broad White POV would take on some pretty heavy censure.
I suppose non-insane White Democrats will also be repelled by all the Hamas butchery apologia. But the core reason for this is that Jews, who (accurately) perceive normalization of such shit as a personal existential threat in the long run, will make it into a Big Issue and a topic for edifying National Conversation that cannot be just brushed aside and dropped from the news cycle like some embarrassing but non-representative freak accident.
Otherwise, rabid anti-white rhetoric would also have sufficed to discredit leftism.
I don’t think the left will drop Palestine so quickly at all. The invasion will be brutal, in a week or two (maybe less) rhetoric will start to turn again. Maybe not to Chuck Schumer’s level, but certainly in big swathes of the American left. The rapidly growing Muslim American population will continue to elect representatives that align with it, and they won’t drop the Palestinian cause either. Black Americans tend not to care and often have high rates of belief in casual antisemitism anyway.
Certainly over time Jewish support for the Democrats will wane, but that just mirrors what has happened in the UK and elsewhere and reflects the changing demography of the Jewish population as much as it does the public rhetoric of politicians.
I doubt it. Israel will probably keep Gaza under siege for a month or so, then flatten it completely and launch a ground invasion. Yes, they’ll probably kill 500,000 plus civilians through the whole thing, but the news will be supporting them the whole way.
Sure, weird far leftists will have more of a leg to stand on, but nobody listens to them.
you are ignoring the videos that will be shared in social media about that invasion, doubtful it will be pretty and not all faces stomped by a boot will be male.
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Ilhan Omar is not a Hamas representative, though, even if some people would like to present her this way.
She isn’t, but one sees across Europe that as Muslim populations grow, their representatives also become more bold.
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