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One person's sneering is another persons short, concise, cited answer.
No, one's person's sneering is sneering. You don't actually know much about Islam except what you learn from mainlining outrage online. Citing spicy quotes from holy books is Twitter-level, which is why you don't pile on in agreement when our resident Joo-posters are throwing around the one about goys being servants of Jews.
That passage from the Koran is literally cited in the Hamas Charter. It's article 7.
Yes, I'm aware. We aren't disagreeing about whether or not Hamas hates Jews and wants to wipe out Israel.
Then I don't understand your accusation of sneering, except to grant unearned charity to the obviously guilty party here. You acted like my bringing up that call to genocide was a complete non-sequitur. Like it's unfair or "sneering" to point out someone's publicly stated beliefs, openly expressed, enshrined in religion, government, media, and man on the street interviews.
I was referring to "they do it for the 72 virgins."
I can believe they act with motives that rise above the level of memes without granting "charity" to them.
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