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ymeskhout  1yr ago (text post)   3219 thread views

The Bailey Podcast E034: An Unhinged Conversation on Policing

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In this episode, an authoritarian and some anarchist(s) have an unhinged conversation about policing.

Participants: Yassine, Kulak, & Hoffmeister25 [Note: the latter's voice has been modified to protect him from the progressive nanny state's enforcement agents.]

Links:

About the Daniel Penny Situation (Hoffmeister25)

Posse comitatus (Wikipedia)

Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison (BJS 1997)

The Iron Rule (Anarchonomicon)

Eleven Magic Words (Yassine Meskhout)

Blackstone's ratio (Wikipedia)

Halfway To Prison Abolition (Yassine Meskhout)

Defunding My Mistake (Yassine Meskhout)

Recorded 2023-09-16 | Uploaded 2023-09-25

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What can the government do to make your "Neighbor" less of a dick?

They can stop intervening on his behalf. If he happens to end up getting beaten to death with a baseball bat after menacing my wife, they can just let the judgement of the natural order stand.

What standards do you want the state to use in determining which homicides it should let stand? There's self-defense exceptions and the like, but your position would require evaluating the deceased character traits.

your position would require evaluating the deceased character traits.

Yes. And this is good.

So what standards do you want the state to use in determining which homicides it should let stand?

Well the evidence would obviously be in favor of the defendant. The state would need to prove the deceased was not engaged in a felony at the time of the offense. Criminal records should be able to be introduced as part of a defense.

I'm confused because this is how @raggedy_anthem described "Neighbor"'s behavior:

My husband and I introduced ourselves to a new neighbor while he was working on his car on the sidewalk. We were hoping to establish enough of a rapport to ask him to stop parking illegally, blocking the whole sidewalk, and leaving the trash from his car detailing in our garden bed. Perhaps someday we can even talk politely to him about the broken bottles and used condoms we clean up after his hangouts with his friends. When we gave him our names and asked for his, he refused to even look us in the face. He mumbled that we could call him "Neighbor."

...and I don't see any felonious conduct described. You did say in your comment that his homicide should be excused if it happened as a result of him menacing your wife but a) raggedy_anthem never described any menacing and b) menacing would presumably already be covered under current laws governing justifiable homicide. So in terms of proposed policy changes, I'm not understanding what you want to be different.

They also described:

a bedraggled man reached through our fence and stole the commercial-grade broom

a man walking the other way, who was yelling and ululating, waving a stick around

Among the three humans described there appears to be two bad neighbors a local posse should get together to put into the stockades and one guy the homeowner should be free to do with as he wishes, including summary execution.

Would you accept a judgment of the natural order where your neighbor has a bigger bat?

This is why we have police, to stop the true state of nature from emerging. But if they intervene only when the state of nature is superior, as happens in the hobo-vs-normal person situation, the state is a net negative in said subset of interactions.

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