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Wellness Wednesday for September 13, 2023

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I watched as my brother married a woman that I thought was a bad idea. I tried to have a talk with him "are you really sure about this?"

They have three kids together. She spends them into financial problems constantly. She has driven drunk to pick up her kids.

Their marriage seems to be barely holding together. I think if divorce wasn't a complete financial non-starter she would have already tried to initiate it. She might do so anyways since she is financially illiterate.

In general I regret not being more forceful that "this is a bad idea". Plenty of marriages that look like good ideas don't even work out. I've never heard of a marriage that looked like a terrible idea turn out to be great. Marriage is hard and failure is more likely than success.

Do you think her prospects for finding a partner will improve if she becomes a single mother of 40 with a decade of stress spent trying to save a struggling marriage? If you believe that is likely to happen and you said nothing, can you count yourself as a friend of this woman?

My younger sister was engaged to a man while she was in medical school. She was doing her residency when he suddenly broke things off with her. Refused to even talk with her. Wedding was cancelled, people had to be told, some things returned. Some non-refundable deposits lost. Thank goodness it was called off though. The social embarrassment seems so minor compared to the suffering that might have taken place had she married that d-bag. He and his new girlfriend had a child about 8 months after he called off the wedding with my sister.

Here are some potential outcomes:

  1. You say nothing. Marriage surprisingly turns out great. You still don't like the man. You see your friend very little because he is annoying to be around, and he probably doesn't like you either. Friend lost. (even when I am friends with both people in a married couple, them being married has always decreased the chances that I see them and hang out with them)
  2. You say nothing. Marriage unsurprisingly turns out horrible. You failed to help your friend. Maybe she doesn't blame you for not telling her. But your friend absolutely suffers, and you live with the thought that you could have done something to help her. Potentially keep the friend, but you'll feel crappy.
  3. You say something. She hates what you said, goes through with the Marriage. If the marriage works you permanently lose her as a friend. It happens much faster, but its the same thing as scenario one. If the marriage failes, she probably comes back to you, and she probably gets out of it sooner if she gets advice from people she trusts.
  4. You say something. She realized you are right and calls off the wedding. You help her through the social embarrassment and sending back gifts. Friend retained, friend suffers a little short term to avoid a decade of pain and stress.
  5. You say nothing, someone else says something. She will either force you to give advice on the same topic, or not trust you enough to ask. You will be forced into one of the "say something" scenarios, but the chance that she trusts you as much at the end of them is much lower.

I think you are likely to lose her as a friend as soon as this whole situation started. But I feel the best chances of retaining her as a friend and her not being miserable are the ones where you say something.

You say nothing. Marriage surprisingly turns out great.

Obviously not directly related to OP, but I'm familiar with one instance where this happened. A close family member, single at the time, dropped "you could do better". Still together a fairly happy decade later, notwithstanding the usual ups and downs inherent in any marriage. Said family member is still close, and still single.