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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 11, 2023

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I disagree that this is solely about that. I think it is also a necessary part of the House exercising its oversight powers on the DOJ. We have several whistleblowers who have produced clear and convincing evidence that the DOJ attempted to cover up Hunter Biden's tax fraud, ignore his multiple weapons felonies (even their softball agreement that temporarily was about to be in effect only discussed one charge of many available to them), ignore at least 3 unique, but possibly almost a dozen unique (as in different entities) FARA violations, and cover up other possibly criminal conduct, it is no reach to think they are suppressing evidence that connects Joe to those or other related crimes. Plus we already know they double standard-ed the heck out of the documents case WRT Joe.

An impeachment inquiry should, ostensibly, give them jurisdiction for all those documents, and the ability to call all those witnesses. Which they very much need to do for non-political purposes. Do I think it was a tactical error in opening it into President Biden as opposed to AG Garland? I do think so. But it might be a necessary in-caucus compromise with some of the hardliners. Also it does avoid the very serious prospect of Garland just resigning and blowing up that inquiry.

ignore his multiple weapons felonies

That's the one that really should be hurting the Party of Gun Control To Stop These Senseless Massacres, not "well did he mean Joe by 'big guy'?" parsing.