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Which Foundation stories are adapted? What's the plot?
If they wanted Strong Female or Male Of Color, doesn't the Mule story center around a female? Bayta something? And isnt Hober Mallow (maybe I got the name wrong, I mean the Trader protagonist) some kind of colored? There's already diversity! And do they really portray Hari Seldon as arrogant? Jesus.
The series is very loosely based around the premise of the first few books. Basically, the establishment of the Foundation due to the development of Psychohistory and the weathering of crises. The second season has strong foreshadowing of The Mule and is also currently establishing the setup of the Second Foundation of mentalists.
I only read the first few books in the series, but apparentlya main character which is a robot guiding the Empire's destruction is a character in one of the later books.
To be fair it's difficult to adapt a book series like Foundation that is largely comprised of vignettes with a rotating cast of characters to a TV series which has the audience expectation of a consistent cast that they can emotionally engage with. That said, many of the 1950's cultural themes and values have clearly been stripped out and replaced by current year identity politics.
Thanks, I might grit my teeth and check it out.
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