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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 24, 2023

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I would expect the dude to at least have to declare that he is trans before being allowed.

I don't see how. Bathrooms are only semi-private spaces, no one checks you at the entrance. On one hand this is precisely why there's room for reasonable debate about them, but on the other, it means anyone can walk in, and only declare themselves trans after they're confronted. If you wanted to say that trans people should not be judged based on the actions of people like that, it's fair enough, but I don't think you dismiss the concerns of women this way.

The point was not that he hadn't taken hormones or had surgeries, but that he didn't even identify as trans when he committed the crime. He only started identifying as trans afterwards. Therefore the case is completely irrelevant.

At this point I think I'll have to sort of mirror jimm's point, and say we probably should have agreed on the criteria before I went out looking for examples. It seems you and I are both getting frustrated at what feels like obviously shifting goal posts.

They obviously have a strong incentive to cover up or downplay the occurrence of such a serious crime at their school regardless of the specific circumstances and regardless of whether it pertains to a current national political controversy.

I don't know about that. Did anyone try covering the "Rape On Campus" story?

What protests are you referring to specifically?

I meant it generally, like they're protesting women's bathrooms. On one hand it's not like there's a literal march you can point at, but on the other, you're familiar enough with the complaints, that you're comfortable saying that the examples you were given are not what was predicted. Maybe I should have said "complaining"? That said, I did see a "No males in women's jails" protest sign somewhere...

You say it would be better, but presumably it still wouldn't be ideal? If so, why not? Using this as an argument in favour of the position that "trans people should not be allowed into opposite-sex facilities" (under any circumstances) proves too much.

For the same reason it would be better, but not ideal, if a cis man who lost his dick-and-balls in a tragic accident be sent to a female prison over one who has his genitals intact. Or a weak and frail one, over a strong and tough one. If you're going to allow trans people in opposite-sex facilities, there's really no reason to have opposite-sex facilities in the first place... and yet, we did set them this way for some reason, didn't we?

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