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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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I want them to admit that despite having way more than enough wealth to handle 50 people, they don't want to,

The mainstream news coverage I saw, and the mainstream reddit posts I saw, said that MV was loving this and happily making room for them. EDIT I see that MV has since put them on buses and shipped them away at gunpoint.

I have known about this campaign to bus the illegals to the sanctuary cities for a long time, but my wife just learned about a few days ago with the MV story. She wanted me to be angry and I knew not to fall into the trap so I just said "it sounds like win-win-win: the immigrants volunteered to be put there, the receiving community says they want them, the 'donor' community says they cannot handle that many refugees."

I knew not to fall into the trap

What trap? Is this a married thing?

Tip for married life: When your wife says "I just heard about this horrible thing!" you do not say "axxshually you are wrong and misinformed."

The mainstream news coverage I saw, and the mainstream reddit posts I saw, said that MV was loving this and happily making room for them.

Ah yes, that's why they're comparing this to literally hitler.

Good, send about 15,000 to 20,000 up there and I hope they're still living those values.

Massachusetts has ~250k illegal immigrants. They're already living those values.

250k is about 2/3rds of Arizona's number, but since they support illegal immigration and welcome them they should have all of both states total and Arizona should have none if they don't want them.

That might make sense if 100% of the people living in Massachusetts "support illegal immigration and welcome them" and 100% of the people living in Arizona don't, but I somewhat doubt it is quite that black and white.

If AZ and MA want to negotiate that transfer and the immigrants agree to it, that's fine. For that matter, if AZ wants to unilaterally set up a program to send immigrants out of state with consent obtained in good faith, that is fine. But neither AZ nor MA have the authority to unilaterally expel unwanted individuals, and they certainly don't have the authority to transport people under false pretenses.

But neither AZ nor MA have the authority to unilaterally expel unwanted individuals, and they certainly don't have the authority to transport people under false pretenses.

--MA appears to disagree with you, since they literally called out the national guard and shipped the illegals out with all possible speed.--

[EDIT] The above appears to be flatly incorrect. The national guard troops appear to have been activated to provide service at the destination base, not sent in force to Martha's Vineyard to collect the migrants. I was wrong.

Evidence they were forced to leave?

Or are you just assuming what's convenient?

Evidence they were forced to leave?

The 150 national guard that were called out. Did Texas need national guard to get them on busses in the first place? If not, it seems that, to the extent that force or deception are objectionable, MA probably did worse on net than Texas did.

That is not evidence of forcing them to leave. The national guard gets called out in voluntary evactuations. You know this.

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A non-trivial number are from Ireland. Slightly different linguistically and culturally.

Rural, Catholic, poor, stereotyped as violent, lazy, and criminal? Maybe not that different.

The closest I can find to a hard number on Irish illegal immigrants estimates it at around 50k. Even if 100% of them were in MA, which they're not, that's still be ~200k other illegal immigrants.

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