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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022

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They've been trying to do this for a while as you've noted. Fox News is essentially the last non-left source allowed on Wikipedia so the usual suspects continue to try to remove it. Glad to see Masem is still around as a sane voice. Don't think I could continue talking to brick walls as much as he has to. Thankfully it seems this time again they've tried to scrape the bottom of the barrel and been refuted multiple times throughout the RFC. Hopefully a decently neutral editor/admin comes in and shuts it down as no consensus.

See the full list of sources. Not only are all right-wing sources not listed fair game (even politically biased sources are explicitly allowed, see WP:PARTISAN), non-left-wing sources on that list listed as "generally reliable" include Reason, the WSJ, Deseret News, Financial Times, and Religion News Service. Non-left-wing sources listed as "no consensus", meaning they're usable based on context, include The Washington Times, The American Conservative, Washington Examiner, the Cato Institute, and National Review.

You are correct. I should have looked more closely. I'm probably focusing too hard on the edit wars that kept material from decent sources out of stuff in GG/Trump articles back when I paid more attention to the wiki stuff.

That does sound like it's just delaying the inevitable, though, because this sounds like it's one of those gambler's-ruin/"vote until you vote right"/"you have to be lucky every time..." situations, where the choice is between "some irrevocable change to the status quo" and "keep the status quo [for now, until the next time we try to change it,]" and there's no penalty to the "wants irrevocable change" side for losing any given round. Statistically, the gambler will inevitably lose against the infinite-money house and that'll be the end of the game.

Such contests always seem unfair to me, but I don't see a clear, obvious, favorite alternative.

Such contests always seem unfair to me, but I don't see a clear, obvious, favorite alternative.

As with elections, a simple option is that once the matter is decided, it cannot be re-litigated for some fixed amount of time, like 4 years.

I imagine there would be community support for such a proposal because those discussions are exhausting for everyone.

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