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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 26, 2023

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Sarah is correct that the modern alliance between liberal progressives and Muslims was a marriage of convenience that took advantage of some unusual culture war circumstances, but it's a tryst that was bound to fray apart given the fundamental policy disagreements. One of the efforts to keep the bandwagon held together comes from what Sarah terms Muslims in Name Only (MINOs):

Honestly this is the case for the vast majority of allegiances between immigrant/refugee groups and Liberalism. It is quickly forgotten by the Western Left that practically everybody from a progressive-tinged first world nation is about 5 jumps to the left socially on most issues, and that whilst the recent imports from wherever else are briefly aligned whilst it's in their financial interests to have a leg up, they are going to revert to form on social issues the second they're established.

Eh, I'm not sure it's a bad strategy to forge an alliance with the first generation and then try to assimilate the 2nd & 3rd generation who grow up on English language media.

The issue is that the most liberal migrants have 0-2 kids. They embrace the individualist culture while not having parents that help them get established in the housing market. They get their small condo in a city when they are in their 30s. The most conservative migrants have 8 kids and make due. When it comes to muslim immigrants we are selecting for religiousness at an extreme level.

I've been waiting for a long time for the immigrant turn away from modern progressivism, preferably starting with a Hispanic/Asian coalition in California that finally sweeps away its white Democratic gerontocracy and cleans the place up, but it hasn't materialized yet.

that whilst the recent imports from wherever else are briefly aligned whilst it's in their financial interests to have a leg up, they are going to revert to form on social issues the second they're established.

This is not borne out by their voting records, which remains solidly Democratic.

True.

On one hand, you have the high income Muslims who generally try to fit into upper middle-class white society, which means accepting the whole progressive stack and becoming a MINO.

On the other hand, you have the low income Muslims who stand to directly benefit from left-wing politics via either greater government handouts or better odds of bringing family members over.

But things will change. Recently the only Muslim-majority city in America voted to ban the gay pride flag. Looking at who is coming to America and who is having kids, the future looks much more conservative socially, but much more socialist economically.

Recently the only Muslim-majority city in America voted to ban the gay pride flag.

Not really.

Which groups are you using as a proxy? Every major demographic started as a downtrodden immigrant group. Practically the only lasting pro-left successful immigrant group I can think of is the Asian diaspora, though they've been psyopped into some sort of 'despite the fact that you're the most successful and affluent demographic ever, you're victims' mix

Which groups do you have in mind here? Tammany Hall era Irish immigrants? That process took the better part of 100 years.

All Hispanics with the exception of Cubans, and both south and east Asians.

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