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I am going to suggest that it is possible to imagine a worldview where the positions you have listed here are arguable. Mind you, I do not subscribe to such a worldview, but I can see how if a person held certain beliefs or had had certain experiences, they might be convinced to embrace both of your example points.
But I am not sure we're getting anywhere by this back-and-forth. What you seem to be saying is that if you think someone's position is so far afield from your own that you simply cannot fathom their reasoning, then it is okay, is in fact the right response, to wave them away as hopeless (and whatever else.) I am suggesting that it is exactly at these moments when it is most helpful to try and break through what I would argue is just your own defensive bias, and to attempt to at least understand the most good-faith version of their position. To do so may not enable you to change their mind(s), but it will hopefully stave off the common tendency to completely otherize them and see them as utterly irredeemable, or vile and evil, or subhuman, because at that point you may say whatever you want about them and do whatever you like to them, and keep your conscience clear. There's no good end to that road. It also unfortunately seems to be the road the US is on politically now.
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