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No. The people pushing that aids is a very likely outcome of sex were trying to push abstinence. The liberal line for a long time has been aids actually isn't that bad anymore, or it isn't super likely if you take basic precautions. Std education between 92 and 2016 was dominated by compromises with abstinence only groups.

Psyop but by the other side, if anything.

Bootleggers and Baptists situation. One group wants people to believe that sex is super risky and should definitely be avoided, the other wants to convince normal people that they're at just as much risk as puppy-play, orgy-having, junkies. Together, they can agree on a curriculum that convinces teens that HIV is basically spontaneously appearing for no particularly specific reason or mode of transmission. There isn't exactly a huge constituency for telling teens that they're probably fine to have fun with their partner, but don't get too carried away with the promiscuity and that condoms or birth-control are still important.

Wrote below on some factors in the early 90s, but for my experience in the early 2000s your story sounds more plausible. We didn't linger especially on HIV/AIDS, other than still treating it as a death sentence, but we did also go over the worst case scenarios for every single STD as well as worst case scenarios for birth.

For the birth part, I do wonder if they really thought that part through? It certainly made the girls in my class not want to get teen pregnant, but it wasn't like the worst case scenarios they highlighted applied only to teens and I'm sure it turned at least a few off having children altogether, which I very much doubt was the goal of most abstinence-only groups.

Edit: I'm sure there's a longer post that could be made on how much of the propaganda spread to bring down teen pregnancy rates was too broad and actually served to make pregnancy and childrearing appear unappealing in a general sense.

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