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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 5, 2023

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So argue your point. Why should the rules be different for different politicians?

Oh for fuck's sake. I'm not saying the rule should be different. I am fully fucking aware Clinton broke the law and I'm not okay with her getting away with it either. Just because one thief walked does mean we should just let all thieves walk.

Edited for clarity and charity.

If you ask two people to change their behavior but you know in advance that one of them won't, that is equivalent to asking only one of them to change. If you think Clinton getting away with it was a one-off fluke, say that. If you think that it wasn't but now we're going to start getting prosecutions of prominent members in the current administration, say that. If you think the investigation into the server should be re-opened after 7 years have passed, say that. Otherwise, you're asking for rules which are going to be applied only to some politicians, which is equivalent to rules which are different for different politicians.

If you think the investigation into the server should be re-opened after 7 years have passed, say that.

Sure. Re-open the investigation into Clinton. Go after Pence and Biden while you're at it.

That enough throat-clearing for everyone?

No, it's not enough, because you and I both know that these cases will never be reopened so it costs you absolutely nothing to take that stance. Very principled and also very convenient.

As someone above posted, the only way to deescalate this sort of partisan spiral is for your side to willingly take an L. If the Dems showed that they had Trump dead to rights but then loudly proclaimed that they refused to stoop to politically motivated prosecution, I would be impressed. Or, if they prosecuted Trump and then also began looking into Hunter Biden, I would be impressed. But until then, if it looks/walks/smells like political partisanship then it probably is, and all the self-righteous throat clearing in the world isn't going to change anyone's mind.

So my denouncement of Clinton is just further evidence of my anti-Trump partisanship? Yeah, I know a Kafka trap when I see it. Run along.

No, I think you may very well be a principled person. But you are probably surrounded by a large majority who are arguing for unprincipled exceptions who will use your principled stance to cynically further their goals.

"My rules enforced > your rules enforced fairly > your rules enforced unfairly"

So what is to be done?

I don't believe the system is fair. Therefore, I don't believe the system should be respected, maintained, or cooperated with. Allowing Trump to break the law does not make the system worse, because selective rules enforcement is not better than no rules enforcement. If one thief walks, that doesn't mean all thieves should walk, but if you conclude that thieves walk or not based on their relationship to the cops, that can in fact be a deal-breaker.

In any case, I've said since the election in 2015 that I'm entirely happy to see Trump go to jail. Establishing the exact contours of the regime is a useful exercise! That doesn't mean there's the slightest reason to cooperate with the efforts to put him there, though; If they want to get rid of him, make them work for it, publicly and on the record. Make them commit.

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