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Animals are below humans. I don’t consider killing them to eat- or for any other actual purpose- to be wrong, and I don’t consider claims of animal intelligence to have any bearing on that. I eat meat, I don’t like eating lentils and kale, and I don’t listen to hippies. If it would take 8 earths to feed people meat, then let’s find 8 earths somewhere.
Non-vegan with mostly the same opinions as you. But lentil soup is amazing (with ham still on the bone cooked in a slow cooker to thicken the broth). I agree that lentils without any meat are pretty lame though.
Kale soup with beans is decent too on occasion (and technically vegan), but it's not one of my favorites and I can see not liking it.
Zuppa Toscana (regardless of authenticity outside of Olive Garden) is also a delicious use of kale. Not at all vegan, but a good way to eat some kale.
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What's your philosophical/scientific basis for this? This clearly contradicts my own intuitions/ the scientific consensus.
My philosophical basis for animals being below humans is that it’s a postulate. Yes, I’m aware that some animals we regularly eat are smarter than some people- pigs are smarter than my nine month old nephew, but sorry not sorry, I value him more than every pig on earth, and relative intelligence has no bearing on that. I also value other random nine month olds more than any arbitrarily large number of pigs, or for that matter whales(probably the smartest species regularly eaten by people) because animals are not people. If we kill them to eat them or make medicine from their bodies or wear them or because they’d otherwise cause property damage or whatever there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that because they are not people.
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What on earth would be the scientific consensus around “animals are below humans” and “I eat meat, I don’t like eating lentils and kale” and “let’s find 8 earths to feed meat to humans”? Those are value judgements, not scientific theories and facts.
This is clearly using “scientific consensus” as intimidation and consensus-building, even if there’s a weak case for “if animals were on par with humans the original replier would consider otherwise”. A weak case that doesn’t even begin to approach your own rhetoric!
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