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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023

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There’s a lot of obfuscation about this case - it’s quite simple.

  1. Did Perry have a right to drive on the street?

  2. Did Garrett Foster have a right to blockade a road with his friends and then detain people driving down that road who didn’t wish to be detained.

  3. Upon being detained, did Perry have justifiable belief that his detainers might use their firearms against him this allowing him to claim self-defense.

To help us decide- consider another scenario - Foster & friends stood outside Perry’s front door with a gun without permission and attempted to detain him as Perry walks out the door. Is Perry justified in defending himself?

Another scenario for consideration - Foster and friends attempt to detain the President on Pennsylvania Ave and point guns in his general direction - what would the Secret Service do in that situation?

Im trying to move convo to pardon power which I think is interesting. I don’t think anyone won on guilty or innocent but regardless the pardon power is interesting.

Well if you were detaining people by using said truck to block people in, then I think the people you’re attempting to detain have the right to ram the truck to escape the situation.

We disagree on whether Perry was intentionally driving into the crowd.

But you can't stand in the middle of the road and expect to avoid being hit by a car, I don't care if the car is there legally or not, and similarly you can't imprison a stranger, I don't care if they are in a car, it is illegal - so that's an initiated assault without any angle for self defence. So they transformed into violent criminals first by stepping into the road, and clearly he was afraid of the violent criminals detaining him, and responded in self defence.

I’ll shut this down because I read some. He apparently stopped for 6 seconds. There’s no evidence he was running people over. I agree with the point but there’s no evidence shooter rammed people.

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