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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 27, 2023

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I know that. Do the victims of the trangenderists know that? Can you point me to an example or two of clear messaging, saying that you can only take “puberty blockers” for a limited period of time before it will lead to irreversible outcomes, with some clarity on how long is this limited period?

Can you give an example of someone who took puberty blockers for 'too long' and was left with side effects due to taking them for too long? I don't think 'puberty blockers are safe for two years, but BAD if you take them for eight years' is relevant to the general issues with puberty blockers?

Can you give an example of someone who took puberty blockers for 'too long' and was left with side effects due to taking them for too long.

Yes? Just look at the studies where they're linked to osteoporosis, if nothing else?

By "too long" I meant "taking them longer than the normal course", as opposed to "taking them longer than zero days". "They never say puberty blockers aren't safe if you take them for eight years" is not a useful complaint, even if puberty blockers are unsafe generally

I'm pretty sure you can get away with 1 day of blockers without getting osteoporosis later on.

Also, the whole thing was a thought experiment to prove they are not reversible, if they aren't safe generally, then they are,, in fact, irreversible.

You are evading my repeated question, and unlike me, who asks for public messaging, instead ask me to give you an example of some private person’s tragedy, of a kind that mainstream media would not want to cover, as it goes against the narrative. This is in itself very telling.

I'm not going to find much public messaging to that effect, because this ... isn't an issue? Puberty blockers are intended to be used for a few years until either cross-sex hormones can be initiated for the 'desired sex' or 'normal puberty' can be resumed. Doctors don't prescribe them indefinitely. So why would a public warning to that effect exist or be necessary?

The closest I could find is https://reimaginingeducation.org/what-happens-if-you-take-puberty-blockers-forever/

What happens if you take puberty blockers forever? If Phoenix later decides they wish to discontinue blockers, their endogenous female puberty will recommence, or they can commence testosterone therapy. Long-term puberty suppression may not be completely reversible, in the sense that it may result in long-term bone density changes that cannot be reversed entirely.

What age can you take puberty blockers? After an assessment, a person may start taking puberty blockers. The GIDS recommend that young people take puberty blockers until reaching 16 years of age or having taken puberty blockers for 12 months before considering other medical procedures.

Also, I'm not a supporter of trans in general, and don't think puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones should ever be used to 'transition'. So it can't be "telling". I'm disagreeing on a specific point, and letting the political orientation of my comment come before the specific point is dumb.

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