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I don’t think there’s anything “Shadowy” about the U.N. or their explicitly stated goals. Sustainable development is also a good thing, and the effect of “MeToo” isn’t chilling, it’s necessary.
One mustn’t alert whom one is forced to deceive.
Being out of fashion has never bothered me. I’d like to hear your counterargument if you have one.
Yes, but "To achieve our stated goals, we will manipulate social media to amplify accusations of sexual misconduct, creating a chilling effect against casual sex that reduces fertility" is a strategy that, if it exists, exists in the shadows. As do whatever organs the UN is using to enact said strategy.
This approach would be dubious IMO, as casual sex rarely results in children these days, and the hypothetical blowback from the ploy being discovered is immense.
Unless you're suggesting the coordinators have such an iron grip that discovery or blowback are non-factors? In which case, why are they pussyfooting around the issue with sneaky psyops rather than just putting contraceptives in the water supply or something?
Your ideas suppose the elites are amazingly powerful and coordinated in pursuing this end, but at the same time, they've contented themselves with a 100 year policy of slowly changing gender roles through ad hoc puppeteered social movements, rather than just enacting the New World Order and having done with it.
Thanks for your reply.
Casual sex results in more sex which results in a higher likelihood of having children. The new quasi-Puritan movement is there to make just about every form of potentially procreative sex "icky" whether it's the Rad Fem "All P in V sex is rape" or the more mainstream "You're 30 and she's 19!? Yuck!". The exceptions to this ickiness of course are the ones which couldn't possibly lead to children (hence the "don't kink shame"-type dogma). This is why no one in a mainstream film is having straight sex but gay sex is all the rage*. If you can funnel the sexual appetites of the masses into avenues which are fundamentally incapable of leading to children (especially by accident) then you're sustaining development. A careful look at every social institution, standard, and taboo suggests the very shape of society is to ensure only those who really really really want children are going to be able to have them, and if they're going to have them without the necessary personal wealth and self-establishment the children will simply be wards of the State. It's a de facto eugenicist world.
Discovery of blowback is a non factor if it's effective. Agitprop is only effective when no one knows it's agitprop. Very little has changed since the days of Socrates and the Tyrants, most any "grass roots" movement is in actuality a top-down initiative. Planned Parenthood and early Feminism were explicitly eugenicist at their inception and nothing but the selling model has changed in their goals and practical social effects.
Even the flags of the Woke movement displayed on every large company's logo (and their corresponding changes in personnel) can be traced to a series of Orwellian letters written from the CEO of Blackrock to every major Fortune 500 company (these changes were presaged by a document released by the U.N. in 1994, btw).
I think the goal is ultimately stasis, not destruction, not "depopulation" or anything sinister. This is why the Woke movements and suchlike are all-permeating and so incredibly loathsome to any decent person, they're meant to be biological dead-ends for the foul. If anything, I'd say it's good -- it's a Conspiracy of Benevolence if you will.
*Ever see a woman get eaten out by another woman in a mainstream film or TV series? Heaven sings. Her sex with men is usually a close up on her having a bad time (unless she's a light skinned woman having sex with a dark skinned man). I'd encourage you to look at the most popular TV shows and films with a particular focus on their sex scenes (or lack thereof). I marvel at how uniformed the tropes are and I suggest a centralized node. I think this is the way all ideas have ever worked, it's odd to me how it's considered unthinkable to most everyone else -- that they honestly think "Monkey see monkey and do" and think that's less magical than the notion of propaganda being a top-down process.
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Your tone indicates there's supposed to be somethingg implausible about that idea, but I don't see an argument for why it should be so.
No matter how good they are at pulling strings, and manipulating masses, they still are an absolute minority, and cannot afford to declare themselves the enemies of all common people.
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