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How is it a greater failure? Is it because you think rape is worse when trans people do it? If so, why is that?
I don't agree with the focus on trans prison rapists as a proxy for trans issues as a whole, but the idea is it's easily preventable. If someone climbs over the guardrails on a tall monument for a cool pic and falls to their death, that's bad - but less of a failure on the part of the monument than if there are no guardrails, just an open drop, and people are tripping off.
So, if you put someone who's raped women in a womens' prison, and then they rape women ... that's easier to prevent than 'prison rape generally'.
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No, it's because I don't believe males belong in female prison, regardless of what crimes either of them commit. The fact that the crime is rape is just a cherry on top.
This seems reasonable, but do you believe this because of some moral or religious principle? Why is that the criteria for which prison to put people in?
Like what if we could contrive a scenario where a prison operator puts their trans (MtF) women prisoners in female prisons and then some metrics that the prison operator cares about get better? Like total number of rapes goes down. Or violent assaults go down. Wouldn’t allowing that policy be better than clinging to the idea that prisons should be separated by gender/sex because [insert principle here, or just status quo?].
I’m not a prison expert, so I can’t say that this contrived example in any way reflects reality, but the point I’m trying to make is that the reflexive, intuitive “trans women shouldn’t go in men’s prisons” might not reflect the complexities of the real world (Like for example a more common issue is trans women who commit crimes {after becoming trans} and then are imprisoned. Where do they go? Prison operators don’t want them raped or assaulted (they’re on hormones, so physically weaker on average and may present as more feminine).
I’m not saying that the contrived scenario matches reality, but I am curious what your response is to that idea.
Didn't you criticize me for using an evidence-free hypothetical in order to make broader point in literally the neighboring comment, when I was neither making a hypothetical, nor making a broader point? What are you doing, man?
Sex segregation is based on a rough heuristic, not a specific scenario, so I don't care about those. If you could prove beyond reasonable doubt that your heuristic involving trans women is better for the prisoners / society / whatever, I'd be open to it.
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