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Lykurg  We're all living in Amerika  1yr ago (putanumonit.com)   4523 thread views

Why Are Women Hot? – Put A Number On It!

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Primarily relevant to here through the discussion of what people claim to find attractive vs. choose, but also considers various other measures of attractiveness. I dont agree with all these analyses but think its worth posting simply for considering the topic in a lot more detail then Ive previously seen.

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Yeah.... after re-reading this post it doesn't come off entirely the way I want it to or get across what I'm trying to. Though bullet 2 is definitely tongue-in cheek.

Out of curiosity, what is the appeal of heterosexual sodomy? Why is it a selling point for this women to "do anal"? If it's two men in situational homosexuality (e.g. in prison, on a sailing ship, so on) who are desperate for a hole to stick it in, fine - but cis women have vaginas which are handily designed by nature to accommodate the penis.

I do think this is one of those porn things that has slipped into (relatively) mainstream expectations, the way fellatio was something a whore or your slave would do for you, but is now commonplace as part of what is expected in a sexual relationship, so that it's even considered vanilla.

From the women's side, I can get "you have to do it because men expect it" (allegedly some women enjoy it, though I wonder how much of that is enjoying the idea of being sexually liberated and experienced to be able to do this act), but why do men expect it? That it's uncommon so the woman must be really into you/you are a real stud if you can get her to do this? But it seems to be becoming more common. "I saw it in porn and I think everybody is supposed to be doing it, so I tried it too"? What? Just the whole idea of novelty, that now sex is easy to get without the expectations of marriage and what were formerly obscure or considered depraved acts are common, so the ante has to be upped more and more to be spicy and exciting and not the same old thing? After this, what next? Stick it in her ear (that's about the only orifice left)?

I believe there's two appeal groups:

  • Direct - Novelty, sensation/"tightness", visual appeal, no risk of pregnancy, the ass is actually a nerve center

  • Indirect - An element of submission/degradation, someone being willing to "let you in" anywhere despite the impracticality and additional overhead of prep and cleanup. This could be its own top level post.

I do see anal as something that's slipped into mainstream expectations but a lot of people forget the prep required for it. There are other sexual overton window shifts - analingus is one of life's sublime pleasures, and so having it discussed in virtually every rap song/tinder pickup line now is simultaneously satisfying and frustrating. It piggybacks off of mainstream activities like taking a shower together really easily, but I remember being made fun of for it when I was single (despite all my partners enjoying it).

While I understand lamenting the shift in expectations, I don't see either of these as game-breaking things that shouldn't be part of a valuable sexual relationship. "Good, Giving, Game" sex (defined way back in the early 00's) was how I always approached these things. So when a potentially enjoyable act requires purchasing a $4 bottle of astroglide or just timing it after a shower I have a hard time seeing why some line's been crossed.

analingus is one of life's sublime pleasures

I suppose I'm Just Too Old, but while I realise that there are a lot of nerve endings around the anus, I don't care how recently you showered: you want to put your tongue/want someone else to put their tongue in and around the place where excrement comes out. That seems a bad idea. Especially since I read a couple of years back an article by a gay guy lamenting that he (1) loved rimming with strangers (2) had, on three separate occasions, contracted some gastrointestinal disease I can't remember the name of (I think it was this one but can't be sure) from doing it. Naturally this was the fault of the government for not warning him and other gay men about it. Me, I think if you get the same disease three times from doing the same thing, that you know has a high risk of giving you this disease, you shouldn't need the government to tell you not to do it. Oh, and his boyfriend/domestic partner also contracted it later the same way. Bad government, not telling them they shouldn't do the thing that they knew would make them sick!

And if you don't see how a line has been crossed in "we're mainstreaming sticking your tongue up someone's ass/having heterosexual sodomy from being something only seen in porn to something ordinary people do", I don't know when you'll see a line about "so what is the big deal about zoophilia/necrophilia/cloning yourself and having sex with your hot 17 year old virgin self?"

After all, that was one of the complaints in Byron's divorce case; his wife claimed he forced her to engage in anal sex with him:

He asked Mrs Leigh to write to her; in addition, he refused to dissolve their marriage. A short while later, when Lady Byron made clear her suspicions that his relationship with his half-sister Augusta Leigh was incestuous, that he had had homosexual relationships, and had sodomised her – Lady Byron – acts which were illegal, he changed his mind. He agreed to grant her request if she proved that the request for legal separation was truly hers and not that of her parents. In response, she personally communicated her feelings to Augusta. Byron kept his word, and their separation was made legal in March 1816, in a private settlement

I read a couple of years back an article by a gay guy lamenting that he (1) loved rimming with strangers (2) had, on three separate occasions, contracted some gastrointestinal disease I can't remember the name of

Well N=1 but I ain't contracted shit in terms of diseases. I do recall the only time I publicly disputed the party line being pushed by my bird class (human sexuality) professor was related to the topic. I don't do spontaneous ass-eating sessions though. I could be wrong, but carpe diem.

Re: anal being an uncrossable line... I don't connect fucking a horse to a human partner risking minor discomfort for potential pleasure. Or raping your wife. Admittedly, that may be just me! But if it's unpleasant for someone, it is what it is; I don't think buttsex should be considered standard equipment.

Cloning myself with an extra X chromosome at 17 is quite an interesting thought experiment. We'd probably have a great time if I didn't have a sister to bias myself against the experience.

Just the whole idea of novelty, that now sex is easy to get without the expectations of marriage and what were formerly obscure or considered depraved acts are common, so the ante has to be upped more and more to be spicy and exciting and not the same old thing?

Mostly, yes. Casual sex is more or less normalized now, but casual anal sex isn't. Getting something not everyone gets means the woman trusts you, lets you do something she doesn't usually do.

After this, what next? Stick it in her ear (that's about the only orifice left)?

Rimjobs, a2m and golden showers, I presume.

I thought golden showers were rather old hat at this stage? But now we're wandering far afield. It really does seem to be the pursuit of increasing novelty. We'll end up with Tiberius' minnows at this rate!

1 He acquired a reputation for still grosser depravities that one can hardly bear to tell or be told, let alone believe. For example, he trained little boys (whom he termed tiddlers) to crawl between his thighs when he went swimming and tease him with their licks and nibbles; and unweaned babies he would put to his organ as though to the breast, being by both nature and age rather fond of this form of satisfaction. 2 Left a painting of Parrhasius's depicting Atalanta pleasuring Meleager with her lips on condition that if the theme displeased him he was to have a million sesterces instead, he chose to keep it and actually hung it in his bedroom. The story is also told that once at a sacrifice, attracted by the acolyte's beauty, he lost control of himself and, hardly waiting for the ceremony to end, rushed him off and debauched him and his brother, the flute-player, too; and subsequently, when they complained of the assault, he had their legs broken.

I am sure that out hunter-gatherer ancestors have tried every single sexual act we can think of and many more that we can't fathom. When your evening entertainment is limited to song, dance and sex for a ten thousand years you're going to try everything, even ear sex.

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