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Yes, but the thing is, these are the people who will on the one hand unironically go on about the crusades and witch burnings and what have you, then in the next paragraph demand crusades and witch burnings themselves.
"Well the Christians were just as bad" is not Le Epic Own you think it is. If group A (be they atheists, trans activists, or crochet enthusiasts) have been denouncing Dem Horbul Kristians for doing awful things, going on and doing the same awful things is not a good look.
I would point out again Sanderson isn't actually being burned at the stake. So i think the argument that they are just as bad right now is not proven.
And again if Bob punches Joe, even if people think punching people is wrong they are usually ok with Joe punching back. The Church has no-one to blame for this other than itself (or God I suppose). Reaping what ye sow and all that.
If you push enough groups of people to the fringe such that the fringe becomes another power centre in and of itself, this is what will happen if they can rally enough support against the prior "evil" empire.
Now I heavily suspect this lesson will not be learned and things will flip once more, but we aren't anywhere near the worst previous excesses, so religous complaints right now just sound like a case of sour grapes to me.
Wokism will I think schism and shatter like Christianity did, though its less centralized so how that looks may well be different. And probably for the same reasons, corruption, power grabs and over reaching.
Sure, and part of that is because we are only part way through a transition, where I live gay people are still going to be fringe. In San Francisco less so. But they are overall less fringe than they were 60 years ago I think, and I think that is likely to continue. The other part is that the fringe/center is simplistic, there are really multiple centers and different levels of fringe and so on.
So I agree it would be great if we could not get anywhere near the Troubles or anything worse. And I really hope we do not. However the side that was (to return to a metaphor I have used before) just punching someone in the face, complaining when the other person is now about to swing at them, is unlikely to get much charity from the person with the bloody nose. I have mentioned before about the idea that in a good old fashioned man on man fight both sides have to get their licks in and can then shake hands, having both given as good as they have gotten. That they can reconcile because it feels fair. Whether that is good or bad I don't know, but I think that some measure of either justice or revenge has to be seen to be delivered. Simply returning to the status quo leaves one side feeling a victim not a competitor.
So if we accept that Christianity got a few licks in against gay people (not necessarily actual violence, shaming, conversion attempts, forcing them to stay in the closet etc.) for that to be resolved Christianity must then suffer something. And it has to be something they don't like, so if they taught kids it was bad to be gay, now their kids must be taught that is good to be gay for example. Whether they like that or not. Otherwise they are (seen to be) being let off the hook. They never took a punch to the jaw. It's easier to forgive an opponent you fought with than a person who victimized you with no consequences.
This is I would argue an explanation for why groups have been victimized do what they do and is a pretty good fit for what we see around us.
Again for the record, I think the world would be a better place if this were not the case, but I think the number of people who actually are really willing to turn the other cheek is pretty tiny and this applies to groups as well as to individuals. So its a balance, and a difficult one because it is also human nature to keep throwing punches at the person who hurt us. And we don't have an uninvolved bouncer to drag us apart once one side goes too far.
I think it becomes a see-saw of ups and downs and maybe over time the oscillations get less severe, but that may just be the optimist in me talking.
So your enemies have permission to torture the shit out of you, all they have to do is take power? And you think it will get less severe?
If they take power then they won't need my permission. That's one of the side effects of taking power.
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This is why the left stranglehold over education, finance, media, and the deep state is so important. It used to be that to become a power center you could just get a lot of people together. This is no longer true. If the fringe can only communicate by telephone calls, and they can't raise money, and they all get fired from their jobs, and if the government freezes all their bank accounts when they march in the streets, they don't get to become a power center.
I still think it is true pretty much. British politicians jumped really high when they got a lot of heat on not locking down like other countries. Politicians are really really dependent on voters. Biden only just won in 2020 and the next election can very easily go the other way.
The bigger issue is this, assuming you think Scott's Red Tribe/Blue Tribe carves reality at the joint (or even close to the joint) then Red Tribe is going to struggle to dominate those areas. Because the kind of people who want to do that are not Red Tribe and Red Tribers who do want it, may well cease to be Red Tribe - See politicians who go to DC and become "swampy".
Most Blue Tribers are never going to be farmers or truck drivers because they don't want to be, they don't value it. And likewise there is a reason that most recent conservative victories have come from dissident Blue Tribers. McConnell arguably is responsible for Republicans getting a big SCOTUS majority more than Trump given how he took the risk with Garland. Kavanaugh - Catholic - father was a lawyer from DC, went to Yale - Blue Tribe through and through. Coney Barrett - Catholic, father was an attorney, went to Rhodes and Notre Dame - Blue Tribe through and through. Gorsuch - raised Catholic - both parents were lawyers, went to Georgetown Prep, and Harvard, Blue Tribe once more. Even Tucker Carlson went to boarding school in Switzerland and Trinity College in Connecticut and was described as "an important voice of the intelligentsia" in the early 2000's. And as our esteemed ex mod might say, while they are conservative, they are conservative through a Blue lens.
The core issue then is that there aren't enough Blue Tribe conservatives or Red Tribe people who want to do it to allow the right to have domination in those spheres. Just as there aren't enough Red Tribe progressive or Blue Tribe people who want to be farmers to ever flip those percentages.
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