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Affirmative action has repeatedly lost on the ballot in California. It might be one of the least popular ongoing policies in the US, probably on par with legalizing heroin and criminalizing Coca Cola.
... come on, I posted a poll. Different senses of AA get different results - "affirmative action", the word, gets 60% endorsing, while prioritizing diversity over candidate quality in hiring gets 72% oppose. By comparison, 86% oppose legalizing heroin.
Political incentives to 'motivate the base' and the idea that 'the people's voice matters, and we're the people' lead to all political outlets exaggerating the number of people who support their cause. Conservatives think there's a silent, moral majority behind them, socialists think that the people naturally dislike the elites and jobs, both think they just have to hear the truth and they'll rise up. But this isn't true, and believing it confuses you.
So its a policy with between 25 and 40% support? That is pretty bad for a thing practiced by just about every governmental institution in the country.
no, he said "gets 60% endorsing". Here's how these polls go: Do you want affirmative action/help the poor/stop climate change ? Yes! 70%. Do you want to give the job to less qualified candidates/raise taxes/suffer any inconvenience at all? No! 70%.
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Perhaps you've heard of the Motte and Bailey fallacy?
OP (bailey):
I noted this isn't actually true.
Motte:
I'm not, exactly, a fan of affirmative action, or anti-racism generally. But accurately understanding anything requires not making things up when they make my side look like it's the "side of the people". The people are often wrong (as you'd expect from, say, 50% being below average IQ). A corollary is that if 'the people' oppose something, and the government does it - maybe that's just good, and the people are wrong, and this is a success of 'federalism', i.e. democracy-driven oligarchy, over 'direct democracy'. It isn't, but 'if the policy polls at 35%, abolish it, if it's popular do it' fails when the people support inflation!. Or - they oppose inflation, but support the policies that caused it. "The people oppose X, but it happens, so it's bad" is a bad democratic idea!
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