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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 16, 2023

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In my scenario, she is also not beaten and raped. Husband is confused by the refusal, she divorces if he persists, everyone lives happily ever after. Unless I guess she wants to continue, in which case, I bow to her will.

Your scenario assumes reasonable, non-abusive people. What about the scenario where the husband does not back off, confused, but decides to use force? I don't know why you keep insisting "But you see, your lurid scenario wouldn't happen because in my world, people don't do that."

The guy who shows up in the food security discussion and accuses his opponents of wanting starving children is a terrible debater, and there's millions of them on reddit.

Yeah, but that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is you're saying "I propose policy X," and I say "Policy X will have a predictable consequence Y, is that really what you're in favor of?" And you respond with "Why do you keep bringing up Y?! That's cheap and exploitative!"

Okay, let's assume the husband is the absolute worst, and the wife is wonderful. DIVORCE is the end of that scenario in my argument, not beatings and rapes. For you it's JAIL, and this apparently means we have completely incompatible moralities, and I'm responsible for rapes somehow. Yet the same number of rapes happened in both scenarios.

Okay, let's assume the husband is the absolute worst, and the wife is wonderful. DIVORCE is the end of that scenario in my argument, not beatings and rapes.

Yes, that would be ideal.

For you it's JAIL,

If he beats or rapes her, yes. That's usually how it works - except, apparently, under your morality, if you're married to the victim.

and this apparently means we have completely incompatible moralities, and I'm responsible for rapes somehow.

I never accused you of being responsible for rapes. Now who is using cheap, exploitative arguments?

You said I was in favour of rape/assault, an argument frequently lobbied at anyone who advocates the least draconian punishment in any justice debate. I think our disagreement is over a legal technicality, not morality. It's been overall civil, so have a nice day.

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