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Well the Chinese numbers speak for themselves. Let's say the Chinese are lying and took 10x more deaths than they admit. That means they took 40 deaths per million. Officially they took 4 deaths per million. The US took over 3000 deaths per million.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Our too-little too-late omnishambles lockdowns were pointless, the Chinese lockdowns actually worked. I can't imagine that the Chinese could actually cover up three orders of magnitude worth of deaths. How do you conceal that many 'disappearances'?
the chinese numbers certainly do speak for themselves
discussing just how fake they are and making up hypotheticals guessing how off their fake numbers are is a waste of time
I'll concede the 2020 numbers for china were likely similar to the numbers for other surrounding countries which were much lower than much of the West
this metric is plainly dishonest because with and from are not separated and each country uses different metrics to fill in these categories making comparisons very difficult
or china had preexisting immunity to a covid virus which was circulating in 2018
this would explain why countries in southeast asia all had similar numbers irrelevant of their response
it wouldn't be "disappearances," it would just be labeling their deaths at something else which, given our experiences in the West in the last few years, it shouldn't be hard to imagine how some deaths can be labeled as something else, e.g., the CDC right now lying and mislabeling tens of thousands of R0-R99 deaths over the last few months and how they mislabeled hundreds of thousands as being killed by covid when the best you could say is they died with a positive covid test in the last month
and when it comes to China and the sheer bulk of people they have, it becomes easier to obfuscate death and causes of deaths because they have far more total deaths per a year than the US, which has demonstrated the ability to mislabel hundreds of thousands of deaths as something else
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If your only KPI is COVID deaths per capita, lockdowns are fine. Unfortunately the cost-benefit equation versus practically everything else is hilariously awful.
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Let's say the Chinese are lying and took 6000 deaths per million. That's the thing about lying; they're not restricted to small lies.
How do you conceal that many 'disappearances' then?
Just the other day we're hearing about a few hundred people protesting over the strict COVID measures in China. You're implying that these measures never worked at any point if China experienced US-level death tolls. So why did they stick with them? And how are the Chinese concealing 10 million dead from their families, friends, satellites and economic indicators?
People die all the time. Especially old people. If you want to know how many people die, you need mechanisms to collect that information. In China, the government of China controls all those mechanisms.
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Makes 0 sense.
Effective lockdowns = Less absolute number of deaths, not fewer deaths per proportion of those who got the disease. What would a lockdown do for someone who is already sick?
The fact that their proportion of deaths is orders of magnitude lower than the Global mean should raise the "China's pants are on fire" alarm, not "lockdowns worked".
E - If it's deaths per population instead death per number of people who got sick then it's back to square one.
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I'm talking deaths per million, not deaths per million who got sick! You could easily check this by looking at the stat I linked to.
If you think the Chinese are lying massively, provide some evidence! Are they burning huge numbers of bodies? Did they have a suspicious fall in mobile phone number usage? There's been talk about this - the Epoch Times stated that 21 million phone numbers had been lost, suggesting a very large death toll. Other people have fact-checked that and said there's no way to be sure.
I maintain that if we can hear about a few hundred protestors in Shanghai or various Chinese cities, the world wouldn't have missed hundreds of thousands of Chinese deaths from COVID! These people have families and jobs, they can't just disappear. In Xinjiang maybe but elsewhere?
My bad, I replied assuming the wrong metric.
In which case yes lockdowns did work, given a tortured defining of the word work.
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