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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 21, 2022

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I suppose I didn't think someone would just skim the article looking for the first thing that they think would disprove what I said, and come back here to call me dishonest? Why did you call me dishonest instead of just asking why I thought she was an adult?

I didn't skim the article looking for evidence that would disprove what you said; I in fact looked for evidence that supported what you said, because I assumed that is why you linked to it.

We're not that far from agreeing that psy-opping adolescent girls into getting double mastectomies might also be grooming.

No, we are nowhere near that, unless someone does that in order to get them to have sex with them. That would be grooming, but so too would be giving them a tootsie pop in order to get them to have sex with him. Or giving them advice with the intent to get them to have sex with him. It is the intent to convince someone to have sex which makes it grooming.

I didn't skim the article looking for evidence that would disprove what you said; I in fact looked for evidence that supported what you said, because I assumed that is why you linked to it.

If that was the case, why did you call me dishonest instead of just asking why I thought she was an adult?

No, we are nowhere near that, unless someone does that in order to get them to have sex with them. That would be grooming, but so too would be giving them a tootsie pop in order to get them to have sex with him.

If the "pedophilia" part of the definition can be relaxed, why not the "for sex" part, especially since we're talking about minors in the latter case? It's not hard to find pre-"ok, groomer" articles that don't restrict "grooming" to sexual behavior? For example:

Insisting that grooming has never been used to describe non-sexual behavior seems like literal gaslighting to me.

Yes, I am sure it has sometimes been used in other ways. But when used in the context of teaching children about sex, do you really, truly, think it is meant in those ways? Because that is what we are talking about.

Yes. Especially when psy-opping adolescent girls into double mastectomies is a big part of what we're discussing.