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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 31, 2025

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(I mean, the show has a scene with a white boy mugging a black boy for his lunch money, come on!).

I don't disagree with the rest of your point and I haven't lived in England but if it's anything like Ireland I wouldn't underestimate the rough parts of the white working class, black kids being robbed by white kids (and not just travellers) was something I saw at school.

I wouldn't underestimate the rough parts of the white working class

Is the murderer in Adolescence supposed to be working class? I haven't watched it but the kid looks clearly middle-class coded, he doesn't have a working class affect or style of dress at all.

Regardless, it's somewhat silly to say "look, poor whites can be scum too" when that's never really been denied by anyone and when current violence increases and specific types of crime are almost exclusively linked to Peckham, Brixton and Birmingham and other areas with a specific demographic profile. Acid attacks are not being committed by white working class boys, nor is it white working class culture that promotes music and culture glorifying stabbing your rivals to death and posting it on social media to gloat about.

We also already have ample media about white working class criminality and violence - This is England, Peaky Blinders, all of Guy Ritchie's filmography, etc. so it's not like there's some kind of awareness being raised.

Is the murderer in Adolescence supposed to be working class? I haven't watched it but the kid looks clearly middle-class coded, he doesn't have a working class affect or style of dress at all.

The family is supposed to be sort of upper working class: the kid's father is a plumber, who runs his own business, but also when his plumbing van gets graffitied it's a point that he can't afford the chunk of cash to get it properly repainted.

I guess "petit bourgeois" is what one used to call these types of blue collar business owners.

Adolescence supposed to be working class?

His dad is a plumber. I don't see anyone saying that plumbers aren't working class. The family also speaks in a thick regional accent, rather than posh and proper city English.

Indeed, acid attacks have increased 70% over the year prior, and are disproportionately committed by Africans. The UK has had 500,000 knife offenses since 2014, and yet not a single violent crime has been found to be committed for incel motives over the past decade. (We even have a case of murder, thePlymouth shooting, where the perpetrator was knee deep in anti-incel online communities, and the triggering event was when the girl he was talking to online in America posted about him being a creep leading to the mods to delete his account (quite funny))

We even have a case of murder, thePlymouth shooting, where the perpetrator was knee deep in anti-incel online communities

Could you expand on this? I was under the impression that the Plymouth shooter was an incel, even though none of his victims were women who'd rejected him.

He was engaged in Reddit communities dedicated to disproving and dunking on incels: IncelsInAction and IncelTears, 39 posts altogether. In the community IncelExit, specifically dedicated to ensuring people do not become incels and instead find “healthy ways to cope”, he had 148 posts. He was a contributor to the Virgin subreddit, but that community actually has nothing to do with incels (obviously not every guy concerned about his virginity is an incel, otherwise literally every boy before his first experience is an incel).

He wrote,

”I’m not clarifying [sic, classifying] myself as an incel but people like similar to me they have had nothing but themselves and they socially had it tough. Like how can you have drive and will power?”

One could even argue that had he a community of people to commiserate with, that the chance of the attack would decrease; the whole reason for social support is to be heard sympathetically and to relate to someone else. Instead he was participating in subreddits that are absolutely merciless to boys to who exhibit anything approximating inceldom, which winds up including what a teenage boy naturally feels when he doesn’t have a girlfriend. (How many tens of millions once felt the pangs of “tfw no gf”?).

https://voxpol.eu/jake-davison-an-incel-case/

As an aside, I find the case especially sad because he posted in AfricansGoneWild. Look at his beard! His love for guns! My guy could have walked into a mosque and left with a Somali and a shahada.

I'd encourage everyone to check out that voxpol site. English-toothed Experts on Hate Speech from the Hillary Rodham Clinton school of Swansea University. Keffiyeh wearing college girls from American liberal arts schools writing about censoring White Male Supremacist Terrorist Speech.

We've had three conversations lately about laundering leftism into public policy as fake expertise, and these guys are the best example I've seen yet. Brilliant find man.

Fascinating, I had no idea about any of this. All I'd heard about it was that it was an incel-inspired mass shooting.

Does that mean that there hasn't been even a single incel-inspired act of violence in the UK this century? No one in the UK has ever been called upon to Dodge the Rodge? This is a moral panic that Labour and the Guardian have ginned up out of literally nothing?

On a related note (in case you didn't know), the Pulse Nightclub shooter was not motivated by targeting homosexuals - that was by accident. This kinda misattribution is common.

Yes, I had heard about that.

This is a moral panic that Labour and the Guardian have ginned up out of literally nothing?

I don't know the answers your questions specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if the answer to this one is Yes. Are you aware of how many actual children were confirmed to be ritually abused by satanists in the 1980s?

It seems so, and I asked Grok about the last decade and he agreed. Although there have apparently been some referred “channel cases” related to incel stuff, but I’m not familiar with how that works and if convictions are public and I’m too lazy to look. That appears to be a terrorism prevention program, but the UK of course jails people just for material.

It must also be noted, just as a fun thought experiment, that if there are 100 murders a decade related to unrequited love, and if incels occupy 1% of the population, then we should expect 1 murder a decade which involves an incel, and involves unrequited love, and yet which was not actually caused by the ideology. Because men sometimes do kill unrequited crushes, all over the world, and have for all of history — without any accompanying ideological motive.

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