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Why does your experience trump mine? OP said every woman he knows owns and talks about sex toys proudly. I said my experience completely contradicts this so it must be a bubble thing. Is this really so hard to imagine given he is the kind of guy who attends sex toy parties? Isn’t it a little bit likely that is evidence his bubble is somewhat skewed on this issue? I have never even heard of such a thing and neither has my wife. If you are attending sex toy parties that probably puts you in the top 5% (just pulling a number out of my ass (definitely in a totally straight way though)) in terms of progressive sexuality.
But now people in the “attends sex toy party” bubble are boldly asserting “No way, every woman you know definitely owns vibrators and masturbates secretly.” It would be equally supported for me to claim “No way, all those women claiming to own vibrators are just lying to you for feminist cred”
For some reason blue tribers have some obsession with claiming that definitely everyone is sexually degenerate/adventurous as they are and any claims otherwise are false/lies/social pressure/shame. Like I said, this is like Kinsey citing outrageously inflated numbers for homosexual activity in men.
I can believe none of them talk about it around you/men in public generally, but they certainly do it. ref - "I have never met a woman that owns a sex toy or masturbates"
nobody claimed this, and everyone who was told they claimed it clearly stated it wasn't true. But certainly some of those women have sex toys, and many of them masturbate!
I'm not really a 'blue triber', and acknowledging the sexual degeneracy of even the 'conservatives' is important even in the case one opposes sexual degeneracy, so you can understand the situation. If you want to stop sexual degeneracy, believing conservatives are more or less pristine of it will make it virtually impossible to understand anything or take any useful action!
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I don't necessarily think every woman masturbates or has a vibrator. I do know for a fact that there are genuinely non-horny women out there who do neither. But given the fact that we're programmed to want to orgasm, you'd think that there'd be a bunch of women out there who do try to reach it on their own. Many people have very strong urges that they submit to, even more so than just masturbation. I think something like 60 to 80 percent of Christian women have premarital sex, despite the fact that the general Christian line is that it's immoral. So we can see that sexual urges are quite strong, strong enough to make people take action.
IME, moderately to very horny women are not an insignificant percentage of the population, so you really are bound to have met some of them. Just because they're not personally telling you about it, doesn't mean there aren't a lot of them. And just because you have only dated women who are non-horny, or have not told you about it, doesn't mean there aren't a lot of them.
Major confound with with your premarital sex figures is that many people check a box claiming they’re part of the majority religion without knowing very much about it or intending to follow it. The better practice for studying religious people is to restrict the sample to regular church attendees. I’m not denying that a significant percentage of these people have premarital sex, but I am saying that the numbers might well be different from general population numbers in ways that self professed Christians often aren’t.
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