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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

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so who is the defender of castration fetishists who's now criticizing lolicon?

Who's the attacker of castration fetishists who's now defending lolicon? I'm prepared to believe that people hold such a position, but is anyone actually doing it?

Again, who are you referring to? I don't recall seeing anyone saying that lewd cartoons are worse.

...I think you and the person you're responding to are both going off a vibe that is both real and not terribly quantifiable. One gets the general sense that the other side isn't objecting enough on a specific topic, no? There's a sense that, while the literal meaning of the statements might be roughly equivalent, they're masking some deeper disagreement, perhaps intentionally. That about the size of it?

...I think you and the person you're responding to are both going off a vibe that is both real and not terribly quantifiable. One gets the general sense that the other side isn't objecting enough on a specific topic, no? There's a sense that, while the literal meaning of the statements might be roughly equivalent, they're masking some deeper disagreement, perhaps intentionally. That about the size of it?

That is probably a reasonable summation.

I think it's an entirely reasonable and accurate impression to get. The problem in my experience is that it's very difficult to turn that feeling into productive engagement, but at the same time the thing the feeling is signaling is too important to simply ignore.

What would you like to hear, and who would you want to hear it from, to dispel this feeling?

I'm not sure that I want to hear anything in particular - a number of people seem to have gotten the impression that I want to ban lolicon, or that I think it's egregiously worse than anything else out there. I don't. I do think some of its defenders doth protest too much. But I was, as I said in the top post, responding specifically to all the people piling on @HlynkaCG (who, I gather, would like to ban lolicon, or at least see it driven further underground). And I said, in what I think is a very straightforward way, that I genuinely think some of the people taking the "How terrible that the wokes are going after lolicon now" are doing so primarily because it's the wokes doing it, and would not defend lolicon if, say, Donald Trump gave a speech about how he learned from LibsOfTikTok that lolicon is being promoted in schools. (An obviously tongue-in-cheek example, but you get the point.) I am not calling the people who say no, they are principled libertarians, liars.

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