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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 10, 2025

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Latinos are mostly not white though, and neither are Indians. A white person is someone from whose ancestors are from Europe. The reason Indians were and are not considered white in America ,while Lithuanians and Irish were, is because they look different from white Europeans and always will look different from white Europeans. From United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, a court case where an Indian man argued he should be able to be naturalized because he is Aryan:

"What we now hold is that the words 'free white persons' are words of common speech, to be interpreted in accordance with the understanding of the common man, synonymous with the word 'Caucasian' only as that word is popularly understood. As so understood and used, whatever may be the speculations of the ethnologist, it does not include the body of people to whom the appellee belongs. It is a matter of familiar observation and knowledge that the physical group characteristics of the Hindus render them readily distinguishable from the various groups of persons in this country commonly recognized as white. The children of English, French, German, Italian, Scandinavian, and other European parentage, quickly merge into the mass of our population and lose the distincitive hallmarks of their European origin. On the other hand, it cannot be doubted that the children born in this country of Hindu parents would retain indefinitely the clear evidence of their ancestry. It is very far from our thought to suggest the slightest question of racial superiority or inferiority. What we suggest is merely racial difference, and it is of such character and extent that the great body of our people instinctively recognize it and reject the thought of assimilation."

"They imply, as we have said, a racial test; but the term 'race' is one which, for the practical purposes of the statute, must be applied to a group of living persons now possessing in common the requisite characteristics, not to groups of persons who are supposed to be or really are descended from some remote, common ancestor, but who, whether they both resemble him to a greater or less extent, have, at any rate, ceased altogether to resemble one another. It may be true that the blond Scandinavian and the brown Hindu have a common ancestor in the dim reaches of antiquity, but the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences between them to-day; and it is not impossible, if that common ancestor could be materialized in the flesh, we should discover that he was himself sufficiently differentiated from both of his descendants to preclude his racial classification with either."

(Non-white) Latinos and Hindus do not look like white people, hence they are not white.

A slim majority of the median Hispanic’s genetic makeup is european(mostly Iberian). We’re used to seeing Hispanics as brown laborers but those things are connected- they’re tanned from working out in the sun all day. They look whiter when they have office jobs. And when they interbreed with normal American whites most of them have kids that just look white.

You’re way overstating the impact on the American phenotype.

Do you think Enrique Peña Nieto or AMLO (who are much whiter than the average Mexican-American) have "American" phenotypes?

No, not really, but I think that's heavily influenced by how they present themselves (hair, fashion, etc). I do think if they married white Americans the resultant children would be more-or-less indistinguishable from other white Americans (especially if you're including e.g. Italians in your "white American" bucket).

AMLO? Yes, undoubtedly. Nieto? I'd probably guess him as being Spanish or Italian from a picture with no captions, but he has a very Latin haircut and a more Euro-looking suit.

Claudia Sheinbaum looks Mexican, but she does her hair and makeup in a very Mexican way. Bukele looks Hispanic, but the beard is a tell. A lot of the "Mexican phenotype" is sartorial more than it is genetic.

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