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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022

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Those communities are often first or second generation, though. Little Italy is effectively dead, as are the Irish diaspora communities, and the only Jews who retain their culture have organized themselves as a micro-nation (the Hasids you mention). As your evidence for the patchwork of liberalism, you are looking at the insular communities that are recent arrivals to America, which have yet to be filtered by liberalism. But look elsewhere in America, at the 3rd generations, whether Germans in the Midwest or Chinese in California, and there’s no such patchwork to be found. It’s all some pesticide-ridden GMO monoculture crop, planted and picked and served at a corporation.

I don’t think liberalism allows people to pick the best ideas, for many reason: an adolescent does not pick anything, they are stupid and subject to cultural trends; the theory that an individual generally picks the best ideas is not evidenced from anything, and most societies had a specially-chosen group focus on picking the best ideas for everyone (for good reason); the culture that people will cling to is the one that is most pervasive, flashy, and marketed well, just like how they often pick products; Americans are ground down by stressors and obligations that they hardly have time to deliberately pick something as complex as their own culture, let alone assess the competing value schemes which requires understanding moral philosophy and psychology.

Those communities are often first or second generation, though. Little Italy is effectively dead, as are the Irish diaspora communities, and the only Jews who retain their culture have organized themselves as a micro-nation (the Hasids you mention). As your evidence for the patchwork of liberalism, you are looking at the insular communities that are recent arrivals to America, which have yet to be filtered by liberalism.

Are you arguing that culture should not change?

But look elsewhere in America, at the 3rd generations, whether Germans in the Midwest or Chinese in California, and there’s no such patchwork to be found. It’s all some pesticide-ridden GMO monoculture crop, planted and picked and served at a corporation.

Yes, 3rd generation children of Germans or Chinese immigrants are not like native Germans or Chinese, but that's kind of obvious, since they've become American. But, at the same time, they've impressed some of their culture upon the broader American culture. As for the monocolture GMO crop, either I don't understand it, or you're making an appeal to aesthetics. Just as an example, the amount of regional music that the US produces is staggering.

Pretty much my sentiments. The only reason there's any patchwork in NY is because of the 37% foreign born there. The differences you are observing are the chunks that have only just been thrown into the homogenous soup. You are watching them as they dissolve.

Now, all these people, at least most of them, enjoy the fruits of globalization. They drink coke. Eat pizza and sushi. Browse reddit. But overall, their primary cultural identity is unaffected.

See? They're dissolving already. Their primary culture isn't unaffected: every bowl of goyslop they eat is a bowl of lutefisk they don't, becoming less distinct from you one meal at a time.

goyslop

Is this supposed to serve as anything but a dumb tribal indicator?

Yeah. People should rather use prolefeed, e.g. it's not as if Jews are in any way unaffected by the obesity epidemic and lack of food culture.

Case in point, the infamous Trigglypuff is a Jewish student, child of academics. In spite of all that, 300 lbs by early 20's, almost certainly doomed to die childless due to her unfortunate combination of being very physically unattractive and not having a nice personality either.

Prolefeed is media and entertainment, goyslop is food. So says Wiktionary, at least. This is the first time I've encountered the latter term.

Huh, forgot that but now that you remind me of it..

Goyslop - I've seen it around on twitter. It almost certainly originated with the 1488 crowd but as it's catchy and almost everyone hates modern food industry it's spread as a catchy name. Ultra-palatable food that's making everyone fat needs probably another catchy, disparaging designation. Again, not like Jewish health statistics are much better. Jews are even one of the populations highlighting the dangers of 'goyslop' - their heavy use of industrial seed oils led to a heavy cardiac disease burden and is used as an counterexample against the 'saturated fats are the devil' narrative..

These days, especially on the online right and anti-zionist left a lot of people have lost whatever reverence towards Jews the Boomer truth regime indoctrinated them into, and now consider them just another ethnic, if not worse.

No, but it is a funny word that evokes an image of contempt from the people who feed it to you, like a pig farmer or a school lunch lady.

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