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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 27, 2025

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Each of your hallucinations are half-true, half-false. Of course you pointed out the true part while ignoring the falsehood.

Talent hyper-specialization: Their "MoE-style" org structure (per employee accounts) lets PhDs and literature majors alike pursue orthogonal optimizations without coordination overhead.

The source highlights the integration of diverse expertise and collaborative discussions, suggesting a culture of interaction and coordination. This indicates that DeepSeek values diverse perspectives and collaboration, contrary to the claim of orthogonal optimizations without coordination overhead.

Silicon Valley now openly imitates their approaches, with ex-OpenAI staffers adopting DeepSeek’s training protocols.

The source only mentions two individuals without evidence of a broader Silicon Valley trend. Thus, the claim extrapolates beyond the given information, making it an invalid conclusion.

a theoretical breakthrough Western labs dismissed as impractical.

The source does not mention Western labs dismissing the innovation as impractical. It discusses DeepSeek's MLA architecture reducing VRAM costs, but without evidence or mention of Western labs' reactions

As Liang notes:

"What’s missing isn’t capital, but the organizational DNA for uncertainty."

The concept of "organizational DNA for uncertainty," is not mentioned in the source and goes beyond the text's focus on confidence and knowledge of organizing talent. Your slop also fabricated a quote and put the words in someone's mouth, which is inappropriate even if the words were true. Liang didn't say that.

Sorry, this is just tedious hairsplitting. Did you use ChatGPT to come up with something?

This indicates that DeepSeek values diverse perspectives and collaboration, contrary to the claim of orthogonal optimizations without coordination overhead.

Not a contradiction insofar as we give the sources straightforward reading. Zihan says: “It’s like everyone contributes to the final model with their own (orthogonal) ideas and everyone hopes their idea is useful”. It has integrated two separate sources (Wenfeng and Zihan) into a non-contradictory phrase. This is basics of journalism, I see worse whenever I open legacy media.

We can go over all items again but clearly you're not arguing in good faith. Give up, R1 > you and whatever sloppy model you've called to aid.

I used r1 just like you did

Sorry, this is just tedious hairsplitting.

Your slop is making outlandish and blatantly false claims. You think it's trivial that "Silicon Valley now openly imitates their approaches" and that they made "a theoretical breakthrough Western labs dismissed as impractical."? If those were true it would be a big deal that readers should take notice to, but they're not.

Why are you so aggressive? First, concede all the previous items on which your criticism fell flat, then I'll consider whether to dignify you with a response.

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See, this is exactly the kind of exchange we don't want to have. It's bad enough you're both being antagonistic; you're both literally using AIs to do it.

Yes, I'm sure with enough massaging you can get an AI to write posts we won't readily detect, or even create an AI Motte user. < golf clap > But if we do detect it, we're going to stomp on it.

You and @phailyoor both knock it off.

I actually handwrote all my stuff and threw in a sentence or two of obvious ai as a joke. But I have made zero personal insults or attacks and have only directly engaged with the factual matter of the article.

Meanwhile every one of the other guy has personally insulted me multiple times in every post.

At the current level of technology, you're below hallucinatory slop: confidently wrong. Unwittingly obsolete.

you've done such a great job displaying your vitriol. Even you must realize that it's been something of a subhuman, simian display. Perhaps you can stand upright and engage your intellectual successor properly now?

clearly you're not arguing in good faith.

Why are you so aggressive?

his posts are objectively bad

To be clear, everything not labeled as AI output I have written myself. I also think it's legitimate to use AI to automate for search of nitpicks as he does, the problem is that there's little to nitpick at and his posts are objectively bad as a result.