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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 27, 2025

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Maybe I wasnt clear enough about this, but what I mean is: Yes, people need a justification for what theyre doing. But there is a lot of freedom in how that justification generalises. You can justify taking a rich guys money by arguing he got it illegitimately. This isnt that different politically, because you can make these allegations against whoever you want, but its not an explicit endorsement of redistribution. Its this explicit endorsement that I think is limited to elites (even actual leftist politicians often prefer to argue without it, e.g.), and would so far have considered a modern phenomenon.

Basically, I dont see why drones would lead to the development of democratic-man-ideology specifically, instead of some variation on "We wuz".

Yes, people need a justification for what they're doing. But there is a lot of freedom in how that justification generalizes.

This is not something Plato touches on directly, but I have an idea about it. The guiding principle, if you can call it that, is a collective decision by the drones on the central question in founding any fundamentalist/extremist movement: As a function of the material and cultural circumstances I find myself in, what group can I demonize, scapegoat, and rally a coalition to attack and plunder? The details of the target group, the moral rationalization, and the attack strategy arise from culture and circumstance -- but when they find the answer it then plays out in (1) censoring the target group and their ideas, (2) scapegoating them for all the world's ills, (3) disarming them, (4) seizing their property in the name of justice, and often finally (5) murder. The target group is chosen opportunistically, not according to any eternal principle. Depending on circumstances, it could be heretics, Jews, the aristocracy, the Tutsis, the vaguely defined and ever-morphing "bourgeoisie", or straight white males. The tyranny Plato observed must have been of the left-wing variety, like that of Stalin and Mao -- but the dragon can wear the mask of the left, the right, religious fundamentalism, racial supremacy, or whatever.

Plato's "crawling drones" are thugs and paupers, that tend to stoke leftist tyranny, but leftist tyranny is just one of many possible answers to the question of who can I blame for my problems and attack and plunder with righteous indignation?

Also, that's pretty much a summary of the top-level post I am planning for next week.

Thats what I would have thought as well - but as per your post, Plato does describe something much more similar to modern ideology. You dont need moral relativism to fuck up the heretics. I guess Im waiting for next week.

Maybe this is the line that is causing the problem (from the OP):

The descent into tyranny is driven by a collection of people Plato calls drones, defined generally as those who do no useful work.

Plato's view here is narrow -- focusing on the sorts of tyranny he (or his teacher, Socrates) witnessed -- which were evidently of a leftist variety. The most natural constituents of that kind of tyranny are the non-working poor. But in a broader view, which Plato does not discuss, the natural constituents of the tyrant might be a different group.