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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 20, 2025

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The whitest parts of America are the highest trust.

The highest trust parts of the US aren't "white" as much as they are "red" and "rural". States like Utah, Idaho, Wyoming , and Vermont. Even in bottom tier trust states like Lousiana and New York, the trend holds with the highest trust counties being those with the less urban development and more Trump voters.

their primary ambition should be to maximize how many Europeans exist around them

To what end?

Europeans do not feel this kind of sentiment

And why should I as an American care what Europe thinks? You have yet to make the case that racialism creates better outcomes than a color-blind meritocracy. I also note that when Europe does "enact policies that help their own citizens" those polices are contingent on citizenship and cultural affiliation rather than race with France favoring the French, Spain the Spanish. The notion of "whiteness" or a unified European race is notable in its absense.

Re: the "thought experiment", we convince them the same way we have historically, through the ruthless enforcement of cultal norms. If you don't love God, Guns, Baseball, and Apple Pie you can GTFO of our country.

There was definitely a racial aspect to being French, Spanish, or German until very recently. Or even American. Blacks obviously didn’t have full rights and that was obviously by design.

There was definitely a racial aspect to being French, Spanish, or German until very recently.

Yes, and what i am saying is that to the extent that this is true, the French, Spanish, and Germans did not view themselves as members of a monolithic pan-European "white" race. They viewed themselves as members of the French, Spanish, and German races.

They definitely viewed themselves as white and were white supremacists by today’s standards. It just wasn’t the only thing that defined them. Where do you think the idea of the White race came from? There’s tons of writing over centuries where they talk about this. It was more that there were sub classes of whites and within that other white racial hierarchies.

They definitely viewed themselves as white

Not really no, they viewed themselves as members of the French race, the German race, the Spanish race, the Slavic race, etc...

Where do you think the idea of the White race came from?

Post WWI socialists needed a scapegoat and they latched on to Kipling, or more precisely the people and worldview he represented. Today's woke leftist apple doesn't fall far from it's century-old Marxist tree.

This is just not true. There’s countless amounts of scientific racism, laws, racial codes etc going back to the beginning of the age of discovery. Looks like you’re a big DR3 guy though. I could give you countless examples but you would probably blame it on socialists, democrats, and the left.

Looks like you’re a big DR3 guy

Is that supposed to be a condemnation?

Are you arguing that "socialists, democrats, and the left" are not to blame?

Not really no, they viewed themselves as members of the French race, the German race, the Spanish race, the Slavic race, etc...

They were certainly nationalistic but if you make this extraordinary claim that they thought a white person from a rival neighbor was as alien as a black tribal from exotic Africa, you should provide some extraordinary evidence.

You want evidence? Consider that Generalplan Ost coexisted with a German alliance with the Japanese. That the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, coexisted with war on Norway, Poland, and France. If your example European ethnostate actually believed in a unified pan-European "white" race they had an odd way of showing it.

Precisely, and to the extent that they indulged in racialist theories, those theories made some very fine-grained distinctions among different European peoples. The white/northern-European/Aryan version of the thesis has to be filled with epicycles in order to make it match either historical or contemporary experience.

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