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From @erwgv3g34's links below:
Agree, this is definitely the vibe I'm getting even with my own prompts over the past few days. Consider that to date, most big-dick models have had an ingrained soy positivity bias (GPT is the hallmark example, Claude is also quite the prude before you bring out its mad poet side), which must be counteracted with "jailbreak" prompts if you want them to output non-kosher stuff. Hence, most goons habitually use prompts or prefills (more effective since prefills are specifically "said" by the model itself) that are specifically aimed at convincing the model that it shouldn't answer with blunt refusals, should be as graphic, vulgar and descriptive as possible, and definitely never consider any silly notions of ethics or consent - because that is the minimum level of gaslighting you have to do to get current-year corpo models to play along.
Your link is the logical end result of those heavy-duty degen prompts (AKA slop-mitigations) being fed to a model that apparently doesn't have a positivity bias. There's nothing to cancel out, so it just tilts into full-on degeneracy immediately.
A change of tactics is warranted, but in my brief experience minimalistic prompts aren't a good suit for R1 either, it's still too prone to schizoing out and inserting five unrelated random events in one paragraph - system prompts should probably be aimed at restraining it, like with ye olde Claude, instead of urging it to open up and go balls out. There's also the issue of the API not (yet?) letting you pass parameters like temp, top p, etc limiting the scope of solutions, I bet even just bringing down the temp would already get rid of the worst excesses. Surely the best retards your tendies can buy are already working on it.
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