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This is not the first time you've been warned that you don't get to just assert weakman arguments about your outgroup. You can believe what you like about Jews and black people, but just reciting derogatory tropes does not meet our standards of argumentation.
You aren't the only white nationalist around, but this isn't a white nationalist forum, and you have to follow the same rules as everyone else. Your frequent, deliberate testing of boundaries is running you out of slack.
The holocaust narrative is one of the most repeated ones for the last decades. Almost any messaging from jewish organizations is explicitly or implicitly underlined by 'the holocaust', ie, something bad happened to some jews 80 years ago.
Something bad happened to somebody 80 years ago or even before and after, but jews love to remind us about their unfortunate ancestors who were masturbated to death or turned into soap and lampshades.
It is a fact that there are a lot of people advocating for example for unlimited immigration to the United States and Europe, which were respectively founded by and for white people and historically white, but that a lot of the same people do not want unlimited immigration to Israel.
Here is the example of the ADL, which was called out by Tucker Carlson:
Quoting ADL on immigration to Israel:
Source was removed from their website after getting called out by Carlson, only available in archive
ADL on immigration to the US:
-a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants
-fair treatment and equal access to human and legal services for immigrants
-recommitment to our obligation to safeguard migrants in danger
-a humane border security strategy.
There cannot be genocide of the jews without a jewish people, and it is the obsession of these people with prolonging the existence of their distinctive 'jewish' people that is even creating the possibility of a genocide of the jews.
That problem could be solved within a couple generation of mating with Nigerians, Koreans, Turks, Mexicans, etc.
Here is, ironically, the ADL on the 14 words:
Let me be explicit:
The 14 words are :
The ADL on the 2-state-solution:
My conclusion is that some jews are in essence white nationalists or supremacists (as jews are seen by some goyim as white) but they are even more selective than white nationalists/supremacists, as they tailor their preference only to the jewish people, a smaller subset of the white people.
And therefore it's quite hypocritical for these people to criticize their fellow white nationalists/supremacists so vehemently.
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