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I found this point wierd too, the case in general does make sense though. A difference of half a standard deviation can't explain collectivism, which is what I am arguing agaisnt here. Indian Americans or even Asian Americans have a sizeable population, probably higher iq than average, their representation in various prizes, exec postions, number of public intellectuals etc is far lower than Jewish Americans. Figures estimate Indians to be 4.8 million and Jewish to be 7 million.
So all Asians put together somehow seem to not have the same pull at all, this isn't even mentioning the political side of things or aspects influencing things. Academic Agent is half Welsh and Half Persian, so that makes him a little biased
For the time being, this can at least somewhat plausibly be explained by cultural fit. Most Jews have been living in the US for generations, while most Asians are first- or second-generation. Asians also skew towards quantitative ability, while Jews skew verbal, which is more important for success in things like politics.
Thirty years down the road, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot more Asian representation outside of STEM. Hopefully they're better than Ro Khanna, Kshama Sawant, and Pramila Jayapal.
If Indian representation in the US is the people you named then I would prefer them not being represented at all. The leftwards lean they have makes sense to me since I know leftism will only get worse with time yet the Indians in the US are the ones who will suffer due to it.
The name alone makes me mad, Ro, just use your first name pal, it is not as hard to pronounce as mine.
Might have to wait for third-gen. A lot of second-gens seem to spend their whole lives seething with resentment over white kids making fun of their lunches in elementary school.
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From a rough look at the numbers it seems that if we group Japanese, Chinese and Indian Americans together, they're about twice as numerous as Ashkenazis. Assuming the Ashkenazis have an average IQ 4-5 points higher than that of the "Asian" distribution, it's not particularly unlikely they'd outnumber the Asians on the extreme edges of the distribution. Jews have also lived in America in large numbers longer than the above groups; this means family wealth has accumulated (although the advantage this gives to modern-day Jews is just standard upper-class privilege, nothing to do with collectivism).
Incidentally, I don't doubt that there could be non-IQ factors that contribute to the success of Jewish Americans. I'm skeptical of the collectivism/group evolutionary strategy argument, but that's another discussion. The people who bring these things up though almost universally deny any Jewish IQ edge (and/or tend to be holocaust deniers) which tends to make me treat their arguments with skepticism.
I doubt that given test scores which are a good measure of G. Asians and Indians were selected for maximising these test scores, you have far more Asians and Indians in the highest percentiles of test scores. The collectivism only works because they are smart to begin with, but the collectivism makes the differences so dramatic in these things. I appreciate ingroup biases since that is natural human behaviour. If Jews are half a standard deviation smarter than white gentiles, then how do Asians and Indians do so much better than both in various tests?
I am not an asian supremacist, tails being fat is a real thing especially given how Asians likely have thinner ones compared to other people in the conversation.
This is like @self_made_human’s original post and earlier comment. The Indians who do so well are selected as the smartest people in a 90 average population. Their performance is going to be completely different to a population where the average is 112. For example, they might be overrepresented in some things and not in others. A 130 Indian might just seem more ‘weird’ than a 130 Ashkenazi.
I know smart Indians like to imagine they’re all from highly endogamous castes that preserved their unique intelligence through the millennia, but as you yourself have argued this is mostly cope.
Ok this is a fair point, I'm a little hesitant with matters pertaining to group differences because I'm not as well versed with stats as I should be. My main aim isn't a total denial of ashkenazis being a smart group, I have some skepticism which may be wrong.
The left and right in the mainstream simply use the word culture to avoid stating Ingroup bias or being smart whereas the truth is a combination of both which magnify results. This is the correct thing to do by all accounts, the purpose of an Ingroup is to help its people
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