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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022

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There are some distinct cultural traits with the English, French, and Germans that southern Italians don't share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manorialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line

Very loosely, under Manorialism a couple could get a chunk of farmland to work by presenting themselves to the lord as honest, hardworking, and not a source of trouble. It lead to more atomic family structures and smaller families.

It replaced a clan centric system, where individuals had to preserve the honour and reputation of their clan. Tolerating an insult could lead outsiders to think that your clan would tolerate injuries. So it was critical that everyone understood that they should not mess with your clan.

For instance the Scotch-Irish were famous for feuds like the Hatfields & McCoys.

There's also a zero-sum aspect to altruism where the more you care about your extended relatives the less you care about your unrelated neighbours.

So for a traditional resident of small town America it's expected that they would help their old school friends and neighbours before their second cousins.

That's not going to be the case for more clannish societies.

There's no good name for "within Hajnal" societies but it's generally what people are thinking.

I am trying to promote the terms "cisHajnal" and "transHajnal".

Your certainly right, but to classify people north of the hajnal line as 'more white' doesn't make any more sense than classifying them as 'more redheaded'.

'More outbred' would be more accurate, and actually hint to what you are taking about.

Although I doubt OP was talking about outbreeding, nuclear families and manorialism. I'm pretty sure they were awkwardly trying to apply idiosyncratic American ethnic terms to a world where the terms make no sense.

Yeah, but white southerners are mostly scotch-irish by extraction and these people consider them white.

Hajnal put all of Scotland inside the line. I have seen arguments that the Scottish Highlands were actually transHajnal, but my understanding was that the Borderers (from whom most of the Scots Irish are descended) were clearly inside it.

The traditional Irish culture is also transHajnal, but the Scots Irish put a LOT of effort into not assimilating into it.

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