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This reminds of something that happened in 2021 on Twitter. I think it speaks to your point almost exactly. I pulled this directly from a website that talks about it:
On September 26th, 2021, Twitter[2] user LILAVYVERT quote tweeted a TikTok video shared via a tweet[3] posted two days prior. The video shows a nightclub somewhere in India where many young, Indian people are dancing to "When that one song that comes on in the club." LILAVYVERT quote tweeted it, using the phrase "I know it smell crazy in there". The tweet (shown below) received roughly 51,600 likes over the course of one month.
LILAVYVERT's tweet, however, also received roughly 23,700 quote tweets over the course of one month. The quote tweets mostly revolved around LILAVYVERT's statement allegedly being racist. LILAVYVERT received the most amount of backlash from people of Indian descent. For instance, Twitter[4] user @pinkfr1day tweeted, "they going slur for slur in the quotes wow" and received roughly 22,600 likes. This tweet commented on and poked fun at the Indians and the African-Americans in the quote tweets and replies being racist or derogatory to each other.
The sheer volume of racist tweets coming from Indians was like nothing I'd ever seen before. Since certain speech on online was pretty heavily policed at that time, being able to see those tweets making their rounds was very cathartic. It's like the powers that be at Twitter couldn't handle it all. It was hilarious because the pure unfiltered racist vitriol coming from some of these people was so beyond what was normally accused of "racism" in the West that people were borderline speechless. It's precisely their lack of subtlety and the willingness of Westerners to tolerate it that aligns with your point.
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Indians hae absolutely zero qualms calling for mass rapes, genocides, doxxings or other activities, even right now you have twitter users claiming that newton stole calculus and that aryans never invaded, whilst simultaneously being happy that Muslims are being called out for rapes but also in the same breath supporting the said rapes since they don't like whites after the racist memes post h1b.
I always joke that Indian girls are far more hbd pilled than spandrell because I've seen how they talk about this stuff, it's caustic to say the least. Racism and even casteism isn't a big no no unless you're a part of the white collar classes.
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I literally don't think I've ever heard a white person say anything racist about Pakistanis, unless they were an actor playing a role. As far as I can recall, 100% of the racist statements about Pakistanis I've heard were spoken by Indians.
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