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Silly poster, he should have known that the only acceptable way to speak of shadowy cabals is to give them a name like "the patriarchy" or "systemic racism"
Anyway to answer you question, take your pick, we have a conspiracy to abolish age limits for transgender care that involves the Biden administration, or a conspiracy of the global economic and political elites to promote LGBT acceptance and gender theory, even against the very explicit wishes of local populations, just off the top of my head.
I've seen a lot of anti-feminist takes here and on similar message boards. But "feminists don't blame enough things on the patriarchy" is a new one to me. Same with the left and "systemic racism".
So the people openly trying to change society to be more accepting of LGBT people are... also secretly conspiring to change society to be more accepting of LGBT people? That seems pretty different from the claim that the movement is really about seeking "control".
I... don't see where I said that?
You're the one that equated NGO activity with shadowy cabals so you tell me. Also they explicitly list hidden pressure as one of the tactics they recommend. Also, the plot to remove age limits on gender affirming care was completely secret, and only came out by pretty much a lucky accident.
Just a note that "be more accepting of LGBT people" we're talking about letting rapists go to women's prison because they suddenly declared they're women too.
How is pressuring politicians to push through unpopular laws, and doing so secretly for the explicitly stated reason that doing so publicly would cause a backlash, not a form of control? How is using your high-ranking government position to put pressure on medical orgs to change their standards of care not a very direct form of control?
I was replying to the section of the post asserting there was
I was asking what "control" they were seeking separate from their claimed goals that they frame as "justice". You provided examples of different ways of them lobbying for their public goals. Sure, lobbying is often bad, but it's not a special secret conspiracy attributable to woke NGOs.
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Those calling out "the patriarchy" and "systemic racism" blame many concrete effects on those and suggest many concrete changes.
Was trans surgeries for children a public goal? I was assured (and occasionally am still being assured) that it's something that doesn't happen. Similarly with sending rapists to women's prisons. Is government officials privately making demands of independent medical orgs, that violate their internal rules, just another way of lobbying?
It is attributable to woke NGO's, they're the ones doing the lobbying. If it's not a super secret conspiracy, you shouldn't have called it that.
So do people blaming NGOs.
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Leftists will immediately say that they don't think of those as cabals.
They claim a set of structures and incentives that cause people to act in certain ways. Which structures? Which incentives? Well, varies depending on the phenomenon. Or maybe all of them
They're closer to constructs like aether trying to fill in a hole in a mechanical understanding of the world than claims about Jews or elites in a smoky room.
Like hell they don't. Go listen to a hardcore feminist talk about men, or an "anti-racist" talk about white people.
I'll also note that the word "cabal" doesn't seem to appear in OP's post.
"Men" and "white people" are not cabals. They are not coordinated, possibly clandestine (relatively) small groups with a shared goal. They're just...populations.
When progressives talk about, for example, "white flight" they do not generally frame it as behavior driven by some small set of elites. It's driven by a mix of inherited inequities and certain biases and attitudes towards black people across the white population as a whole. That is what they blame.
Otherwise the career of someone like Robin DiAngelo makes no sense and is in fact, an act of sadism. They target normal people for retraining on the grounds that normal people - who know nothing about any coordinated racist plan - and their biases matter.
NGO's are not cabals either. Look at token's reaction to the WEF post, or even the general reactions of the forum to that post, and you'll see the same "that doesn't count as a conspiracy, it's too out in the open and not coordinated enough" reactions that you're trying to put forward re: patriarchy / systemic racism. These sort of conversations always have this weird dance were you get to sneer at someone for being a conspiracy theorist while at the same time denying he's putting forward a conspiracy theory, the moment they lay down the evidence.
I'm a bit short on examples at the moment, but the way feminists talk about men absolutely does sound like they are coordinated and have a shared goal of oppressing women, and ditto for anti-racists. I suppose, can only promise to ping you once I come across something.
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