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I haven't played Twilight Princess, but looking up Midna on Google Images gives me a disturbing possibility: you like weird goblin looking things.
I was pretty disturbed when it was revealed that my former progressive college acquaintances (I think everyone screenshotted is either nonbinary or trans now) vocally expressed their support for some image in the manga where Link is embracing the little fucked up imp thing in a sexual manner.
Think I just got to the scenes your friends were talking about. the writers went so hard on their relationship I'd have thought this came from a doujinshi, not an official Nintendo manga.
Checked the authors' early life sections just to confirm, and of course they are both women.
Someone could write a book on why women love the small bratty girl vs strong but vulnerable guy pairing so much. I've just been calling it the Ernest & Celestine effect
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Looks like the manga was a big factor in reviving her popularity. I got sent a panel from their first meeting after saying I never played it. That damn grin <3
All I can say is that your friends saved up all their correctness points to be objectively correct about this one thing, at the cost of not knowing what sex they are.
If it makes you feel any better there's a good chance they've silently done a 180 in perfect lockstep since then. The "le heckin wholesome" reddit fandom go from gushing about things to declaring them ultra-problematic on a weekly basis, with feuds between influencer cliques bubbling into ideological shipping turf wars like a much gayer version of the 30s soviet union.
Just tell your friends they're guilty of a gross objectification and done a yikes media illiteracy, because only alt-right Blue Archive playing chuds like Midna. That should take care of it.
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Twilight Princess is great, but yeah the Midna thing with some of the fans is hella weird. She does tell you the whole time that the imp form isn't what she normally looks like. And when you do finally see her with the curse broken, she is a fairly normal (for a fantasy setting) young woman. But generally you don't see the fans gushing over the real Midna, it's always her imp form.
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