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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 14, 2024

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My guess is that they have some sort of internal polling to try to figure out what the common factors are amongst black men who support Trump, and they came up with buisiness ownership and cryptocurrency investments.

And then stopped right there and treated them like the wider cohort instead of tailoring the message to who they are targeting.

This is fucking amateur hour.

Like how does one suck at marketing so bad that they try nanny state patronizing on the libertarian leaning business owners? It genuinely feels like being talked down to because you're black.

Like how does one suck at marketing so bad that they try nanny state patronizing on the libertarian leaning business owners? It genuinely feels like being talked down to because you're black.

Ok, some low social trust people are libertarian, but many are not- they want a government big enough to magically pass out money, and incompetent enough not to attach any conditions on it. Second order consequences don’t occur to them because 85 IQ and shitty schools that don’t teach economics. Crypto is not necessarily libertarian for the vast majority of people who own it.

That's fair, I'm going to have to get used to the fact it's no longer a cypherpunk secret club as it normalizes. We got Monero for the cool kids now.

But whilst not everyone who holds Bitcoin knows about the inner machinations of the SEC, "Operation Chokepoint" and all that jazz; they at least know that they don't want the government in charge of their money, that's the whole value proposition of it in the first place.

So the way I see it, either you're a degen gambler who will balk at being "protected" from being able to rug people with shitcoins, or you actually are treating it as an investment and you don't want the government to meddle with your neo-gold.

I just can't conceptualize what a person who sees this statement as a good thing and actually cares about crypto looks or sounds like. If you can I'd like you to draw that picture for me, because I'm really not seeing it. Black man or not. Even the most bottom of the barrel drug dealer who's silly enough to think the feds can't trace his crypto knows that them "protecting" you is bad news.

Really the only people it would work on are Affluent White Female Liberals like Warren herself, which is literally the opposite of the target demo on every single count.

Well yeah, I’m not claiming that Kamala is doing a good job appealing to this crowd either. Just that it’s possible, in theory, to offer them government shit- although I’m not sure what that would look like.

"You're a black man, right? Vote for me, I'll give you government handouts and weed! You can even use the handout to front money to start dealing!"