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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 7, 2024

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Putin clearly wanted in, was cooperative post 9/11, asked to be considered for membership

Am I misremembering or was that a single sarcastic quip by Putin and not sincerely asking for NATO membership?

No, it wasn't a sarcastic quip.

From memory, Russia never put in a formal application to NATO, but it wasn't just a sarcastic quip. You could probably debate the sincerity of the interest of Russia joining NATO, but it definitely wasn't an prima facie sarcastic suggestion.

You have to remember the geopolitical context at the time. Russia was a newly "liberal" country after the collapse of the Soviet Union only a decade ago, and while significant tension did still exist between USA and Russia (particularly relating to NATO's involvement in the Yugoslav Wars), relations between the two was much more optimistic that is now or has been recently.

9/11 presented a reasonable opportunity for a genuine, renewed, positive relationship between Russia and USA. One thing that Russia and the US have in common (even to this day) is dealing with Islamism/Islamic terrorism, a threat to both nations. Russia had been, and has been, constantly dealing with Islamic terrorism within its own borders long before 9/11, and could reasonable see opportunity for US cooperation and support post 9/11 (it actually did happen to a limited extent under much worse circumstances dealing with ISIS).

Fucking up the opportunity to normalise relations with Russia and bring them into the greater west and instead driving them into the arms of China was the second worst foreign policy mistake the USA ever made in my opinion, matched only by donating the country's productive economy and manufacturing base to China.

You’re not alone in thinking this, but it’s probably wrong. Exhibit A being of course Obama’s attempt at a “reset”

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