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Months after being freed from 14 years in confinement, Assange is back in the spotlight, criticising the government.
This man is simply irrepressible! I have high hopes that Australians will be able to vote him into Senate soon.
Here is his hour long address to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE): https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mq85IZMeigc&t=2120s
Some juicy extracts from the transcript (I used ChatGPTBox to summarise but it was reluctant to talk about politics)
Great to see. We need more of his energy.
It's a shame that the libertarian anti-authoritarian anti-government strain of U.S. politics got totally co-opted by Trump and MAGA. I wish that the grey tribe still had a voice in the broader political discussions.
Also I wonder if Assange likes bitcoin?
He recently used it to get donations for his legal defense.
But he was providing nuanced positive takes on it way back in 2014. It's easy to forget that this tech is 16 years old.
Good to know. And wow, yeah.
I sincerely hope crypto takes off. But like I said with politics, seems like the cultural forces that led to its creation are dying out.
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It's interesting to see that Assange slams the Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations for their appointment of CIA directors that repressed free speech. He has a lot to say about Trump
And this is him limiting himself to only the public records: e.g court records and Pomeo's bragging in his book. You can only imagine what else is going on. We obviously can't trust any politician, but we can look at their past actions, and Trumps past actions are terrible. He doesn't even express any regrets for breaking campaign promises and siding with the CIA over the promised JFK files. He only says, "next time I will, you can be sure". Right....
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Tiny reminder that there are loads of people who will nod their head yes, agree that it is totally possible for someone to plead guilty to a non-crime, yet not be willing to keep that thought in their head while thinking about other cases.
Which other cases are you referring to?
From the linked comment:
The search/replace is "Assange" and "Cohen". So many people are perfectly happy saying that Cohen's guilty plea settles the matter that a campaign finance violation actually occurred and that there is no First Amendment defense against it. I think it's entirely reasonable to think that both Assange and Cohen actually pleaded guilty to non-crimes.
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